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>There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni. Nonsense. Everyone knows that CSU grads are vie

>There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni. Nonsense. Everyone knows that CSU grads are viewed as strictly second tier to UC grads in this industry, even though CSU standards are higher than just about any other state university. It's the most pathetic and meaningless form of credentialism I've ever seen, but don't pretend like it isn't the case. Even Merced is seen as above Cal Poly.

bruceb 3y ago
You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student?
- ramesh31 3y ago
  > You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student? Thanks for proving the point.
  - bruceb 3y ago
    what point?
    - ramesh31 3y ago
      That there's a massive bias against CSU grads in this industry, even compared to other state schools.
- WhatsTheBigIdea 3y ago
  Personally, I feel your average student is likely to perform quite poorly for the first couple years at a real job regardless of the institution they attended. It is all about the individuals! I've worked with so many people who grew up poor or had other disadvantages, went to community college or their local city or state school, and then turned into fabulously productive and insightful people. Conversely, I've worked with so many people who graduated from elite institutions who have not turned out so well. I'm the first to admit that the elite institutions generate a higher hit rate, but not nearly high enough for me to discount people coming out of lesser schools. One of the smartest (and richest!) guys I know graduated from San Jose State. City College of New York has graduated more Nobel Prize winners than any other institution in the world!
  - BehindBlueEyes 3y ago
    Could the more selective intake account for most of the higher hit rate? I have a hard time believing either education is actually better, except a fancier school helps build a network faster and increase chances of being sponsored/hired by alumni.
breadwinner 3y ago
> Even Merced is seen as above Cal Poly. Seen by who, exactly? See how many of the lists below UC Merced appears in, how many Cal Poly SLO appears in: https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-tech-58b1588c https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-t... https://gizmodo.com/artificial-intelligence-college-program-degree-1849354946 https://gizmodo.com/artificial-intelligence-college-program-... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/still-want-job-tech-top-120000356.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/still-want-job-tech-top-12000... https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/best-schools-by-majors/computer-science https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/best-schools-... https://qz.com/967985/silicon-valley-companies-like-apple-aapl-hires-the-most-alumni-of-these-10-universities-and-none-of-them-are-in-the-ivy-league/ https://qz.com/967985/silicon-valley-companies-like-apple-aa... https://www.businessinsider.com/top-colleges-for-working-in-silicon-valley-2017-5#14-california-polytechnic-state-university-san-luis-obispo-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/top-colleges-for-working-in-... http://sports.yahoo.com/news/20-schools-most-grads-apple-153500378.html http://sports.yahoo.com/news/20-schools-most-grads-apple-153... https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-with-the-most-alumni-google-2015-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-with-the-most-alumni...
- ramesh31 3y ago
  >See how many of the lists below UC Merced appears in, how many Cal Poly SLO appears in: This is about feelings and bias, not facts. Of course Cal Poly is a top notch school. But do you think the hiring manager isn't going to pick the identical applicant who went to Riverside instead?
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    > But do you think the hiring manager isn't going to pick the identical applicant who went to Riverside instead Yes. The SLO grad will always get the leg up Dallas westwards. Cal Poly SLO is one of the oldest universities in California (older than UCLA and CalTech) and the Western US and has a massive alumni network (C-Suite at Apple, Raytheon, Yahoo, etc back in the day as well as most of the Central California Republican Congressional contingent). UCR and UCM are both amazing schools, but are brand new and don't have as strong an alumni network yet.
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bruceb 3y ago

You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student?

ramesh31 3y ago
> You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student? Thanks for proving the point.
- bruceb 3y ago
  what point?
  - ramesh31 3y ago
    That there's a massive bias against CSU grads in this industry, even compared to other state schools.
WhatsTheBigIdea 3y ago
Personally, I feel your average student is likely to perform quite poorly for the first couple years at a real job regardless of the institution they attended. It is all about the individuals! I've worked with so many people who grew up poor or had other disadvantages, went to community college or their local city or state school, and then turned into fabulously productive and insightful people. Conversely, I've worked with so many people who graduated from elite institutions who have not turned out so well. I'm the first to admit that the elite institutions generate a higher hit rate, but not nearly high enough for me to discount people coming out of lesser schools. One of the smartest (and richest!) guys I know graduated from San Jose State. City College of New York has graduated more Nobel Prize winners than any other institution in the world!
- BehindBlueEyes 3y ago
  Could the more selective intake account for most of the higher hit rate? I have a hard time believing either education is actually better, except a fancier school helps build a network faster and increase chances of being sponsored/hired by alumni.

breadwinner 3y ago

> Even Merced is seen as above Cal Poly. Seen by who, exactly? See how many of the lists below UC Merced appears in, how many Cal Poly SLO appears in: https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-tech-58b1588c https://www.wsj.com/articles/top-colleges-high-paying-jobs-t... https://gizmodo.com/artificial-intelligence-college-program-degree-1849354946 https://gizmodo.com/artificial-intelligence-college-program-... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/still-want-job-tech-top-120000356.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/still-want-job-tech-top-12000... https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/best-schools-by-majors/computer-science https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/best-schools-... https://qz.com/967985/silicon-valley-companies-like-apple-aapl-hires-the-most-alumni-of-these-10-universities-and-none-of-them-are-in-the-ivy-league/ https://qz.com/967985/silicon-valley-companies-like-apple-aa... https://www.businessinsider.com/top-colleges-for-working-in-silicon-valley-2017-5#14-california-polytechnic-state-university-san-luis-obispo-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/top-colleges-for-working-in-... http://sports.yahoo.com/news/20-schools-most-grads-apple-153500378.html http://sports.yahoo.com/news/20-schools-most-grads-apple-153... https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-with-the-most-alumni-google-2015-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/schools-with-the-most-alumni...

ramesh31 3y ago
>See how many of the lists below UC Merced appears in, how many Cal Poly SLO appears in: This is about feelings and bias, not facts. Of course Cal Poly is a top notch school. But do you think the hiring manager isn't going to pick the identical applicant who went to Riverside instead?
- alephnerd 3y ago
  > But do you think the hiring manager isn't going to pick the identical applicant who went to Riverside instead Yes. The SLO grad will always get the leg up Dallas westwards. Cal Poly SLO is one of the oldest universities in California (older than UCLA and CalTech) and the Western US and has a massive alumni network (C-Suite at Apple, Raytheon, Yahoo, etc back in the day as well as most of the Central California Republican Congressional contingent). UCR and UCM are both amazing schools, but are brand new and don't have as strong an alumni network yet.

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