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The article is pretty light on facts. I wish there was some real analysis here. There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the sys

The article is pretty light on facts. I wish there was some real analysis here. There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni.

r00fus 3y ago
CSU contains the very highly regarded Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. As with other networks of schools there are more desirable and less desirable ones, but yeah, it's IMHO pretty close to a U of [STATE] in quality.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  SJSU and SDSU engineering as well. Cal Poly SLO, SJSU Engineering, and SDSU Engineering have similar admission statistics to upper mid tier UCs like UCI and UCSB. I'm still a bit salty that I got into an Ivy Tier but got rejected from UCD and SLO. SLO and SJSU are honestly amazing programs and along with UTD, UW Bothell, and UIC should be a model for high quality affordable education.
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    Good friend's kid got into Stanford, but not UCLA. Mom and dad are both UCLA PhDs. Dad got a real kick out of that and got a good few months of ribbing the kid - "haha, you're not smart enough for UCLA!" [Stanford is not UC or CSU, just located in CA]
ramesh31 3y ago
>There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni. Nonsense. Everyone knows that CSU grads are viewed as strictly second tier to UC grads in this industry, even though CSU standards are higher than just about any other state university. It's the most pathetic and meaningless form of credentialism I've ever seen, but don't pretend like it isn't the case. Even Merced is seen as above Cal Poly.
- bruceb 3y ago
  You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student?
  - ramesh31 3y ago
    > You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student? Thanks for proving the point.
    - bruceb 3y ago
      what point?
      - ramesh31 3y ago
        That there's a massive bias against CSU grads in this industry, even compared to other state schools.
  - WhatsTheBigIdea 3y ago
    Personally, I feel your average student is likely to perform quite poorly for the first couple years at a real job regardless of the institution they attended. It is all about the individuals! I've worked with so many people who grew up poor or had other disadvantages, went to community college or their local city or state school, and then turned into fabulously productive and insightful people. Conversely, I've worked with so many people who graduated from elite institutions who have not turned out so well. I'm the first to admit that the elite institutions generate a higher hit rate, but not nearly high enough for me to discount people coming out of lesser schools. One of the smartest (and richest!) guys I know graduated from San Jose State. City College of New York has graduated more Nobel Prize winners than any other institution in the world!
    - BehindBlueEyes 3y ago
      Could the more selective intake account for most of the higher hit rate? I have a hard time believing either education is actually better, except a fancier school helps build a network faster and increase chances of being sponsored/hired by alumni.
lxm 3y ago
Probably a better link but PDF https://collegecampaign.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2023_CSU_EnrollmentReport_single-pages_r9_i18.pdf https://collegecampaign.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2023_...
- yodon 3y ago
  That's a MUCH better link. The data in it makes clear what we are seeing is a flight to quality. The top ranked, best known Cal State schools saw enrollment grow. The lesser known and lower ranked Cal State schools saw enrollment fall. There are more lesser known Cal State schools than top ranked Cal State schools, so on average the system saw a decline. The California Community College system (lower ranked than Cal State) saw enrollment fall more than the lower ranked Cal State Schools, and the University of California system (higher ranked than Cal State) saw enrollment grow more than the upper ranked Cal State schools.

The article is pretty light on facts. I wish there was some real analysis here. There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni.

r00fus 3y ago

CSU contains the very highly regarded Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. As with other networks of schools there are more desirable and less desirable ones, but yeah, it's IMHO pretty close to a U of [STATE] in quality.

alephnerd 3y ago
SJSU and SDSU engineering as well. Cal Poly SLO, SJSU Engineering, and SDSU Engineering have similar admission statistics to upper mid tier UCs like UCI and UCSB. I'm still a bit salty that I got into an Ivy Tier but got rejected from UCD and SLO. SLO and SJSU are honestly amazing programs and along with UTD, UW Bothell, and UIC should be a model for high quality affordable education.
- alistairSH 3y ago
  Good friend's kid got into Stanford, but not UCLA. Mom and dad are both UCLA PhDs. Dad got a real kick out of that and got a good few months of ribbing the kid - "haha, you're not smart enough for UCLA!" [Stanford is not UC or CSU, just located in CA]

ramesh31 3y ago

>There's no shame in going to CSU traditionally; lots of great schools in the system and certainly fine alumni. Nonsense. Everyone knows that CSU grads are viewed as strictly second tier to UC grads in this industry, even though CSU standards are higher than just about any other state university. It's the most pathetic and meaningless form of credentialism I've ever seen, but don't pretend like it isn't the case. Even Merced is seen as above Cal Poly.

bruceb 3y ago
You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student?
- ramesh31 3y ago
  > You think the avg CSU student is going to perform the same as avg UC student? Thanks for proving the point.
  - bruceb 3y ago
    what point?
    - ramesh31 3y ago
      That there's a massive bias against CSU grads in this industry, even compared to other state schools.
- WhatsTheBigIdea 3y ago
  Personally, I feel your average student is likely to perform quite poorly for the first couple years at a real job regardless of the institution they attended. It is all about the individuals! I've worked with so many people who grew up poor or had other disadvantages, went to community college or their local city or state school, and then turned into fabulously productive and insightful people. Conversely, I've worked with so many people who graduated from elite institutions who have not turned out so well. I'm the first to admit that the elite institutions generate a higher hit rate, but not nearly high enough for me to discount people coming out of lesser schools. One of the smartest (and richest!) guys I know graduated from San Jose State. City College of New York has graduated more Nobel Prize winners than any other institution in the world!
  - BehindBlueEyes 3y ago
    Could the more selective intake account for most of the higher hit rate? I have a hard time believing either education is actually better, except a fancier school helps build a network faster and increase chances of being sponsored/hired by alumni.

lxm 3y ago

Probably a better link but PDF https://collegecampaign.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2023_CSU_EnrollmentReport_single-pages_r9_i18.pdf https://collegecampaign.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2023_...

yodon 3y ago
That's a MUCH better link. The data in it makes clear what we are seeing is a flight to quality. The top ranked, best known Cal State schools saw enrollment grow. The lesser known and lower ranked Cal State schools saw enrollment fall. There are more lesser known Cal State schools than top ranked Cal State schools, so on average the system saw a decline. The California Community College system (lower ranked than Cal State) saw enrollment fall more than the lower ranked Cal State Schools, and the University of California system (higher ranked than Cal State) saw enrollment grow more than the upper ranked Cal State schools.