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Some people like having the choice of a curated system, and that requires a walled garden. You're removing choices, not adding them.

hu3 3y ago
That's a false dichotomy. I can have the coice of alternative apps stores AND still enjoy a curated wallet garden. How do I know it works? Android is precisely like that. You see Android users also like the choice of a curated system. Choice being the important word here.
- generalizations 3y ago
  Um. Seems like even in this general thread, the Android ecosystem is considered worse than the Apple walled garden. That's a weird claim to make.
  - hu3 3y ago
    I don't believe I made that claim. On the contrary.
- kube-system 3y ago
  Not everyone who purchases a phone is the end user. If I'm buying a device for my organization or for a child, I might not want the device to enable that choice at runtime. I want to make the choice at the time of purchase.
  - hu3 3y ago
    Don't worry. Restricting what's allowed in a company owned iPhone already exists throughout MDM. And that won't change because it's not your device after all. https://it-training.apple.com/tutorials/deployment/dm005 https://it-training.apple.com/tutorials/deployment/dm005
    - kube-system 3y ago
      I'm aware of MDMs, I administer one. That 50% addresses my comment, but also, MDMs are third party solutions. Regardless, my point is that opinionatedness is a feature that some people buy, even if many people on this forum don't. e.g. people might prefer to eat at a nice prix fixe restaurant instead of the Cheesecake Factory.
stale2002 3y ago
> You're removing choices, not adding them. Just don't install those other apps then. It's the same exact argument that you made! The same one! So no, your choice is not being removed, because in your own words, using your own argument, you can just not install those other apps.
- generalizations 3y ago
  "Curated system", not curated apps. Words matter and I chose those for a reason. The "gotcha" you attempted just makes it clear that you have no idea why the walled garden creates an environment that is more attractive to the average user.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    > the walled garden creates an environment that is more attractive to the average user. Any studies confirming this, or is it just your opinion? In my experience, nobody who owns an iPhone knows about the walled garden (among non-tech people at least).
    - generalizations 3y ago
      > studies confirming this Market share is pretty easy to look up? iPhones are massively popular, and have the majority market share in the US. > nobody who owns an iPhone knows about the walled garden That's-a bingo! Exactly. Because it just works, because Apple has tight control over the pipeline. They don't need to know and it seems like tech people don't appreciate the degree to which a trustworthy, mostly-idiot-proof appliance is incredibly valuable to the average user. Choosing between stores and warnings about trojans in security apps are not things that most users care about or want to think about. iPhones are great because the user can have little idea what they're doing, and still be pretty sure they won't screw it up. As I've said elsewhere, I run void linux on my personal thinkpads because I customize everything. But that's not for everyone.
      - fsflover 3y ago

hu3 3y ago

That's a false dichotomy. I can have the coice of alternative apps stores AND still enjoy a curated wallet garden. How do I know it works? Android is precisely like that. You see Android users also like the choice of a curated system. Choice being the important word here.

generalizations 3y ago
Um. Seems like even in this general thread, the Android ecosystem is considered worse than the Apple walled garden. That's a weird claim to make.
- hu3 3y ago
  I don't believe I made that claim. On the contrary.
kube-system 3y ago
Not everyone who purchases a phone is the end user. If I'm buying a device for my organization or for a child, I might not want the device to enable that choice at runtime. I want to make the choice at the time of purchase.
- hu3 3y ago
  Don't worry. Restricting what's allowed in a company owned iPhone already exists throughout MDM. And that won't change because it's not your device after all. https://it-training.apple.com/tutorials/deployment/dm005 https://it-training.apple.com/tutorials/deployment/dm005
  - kube-system 3y ago
    I'm aware of MDMs, I administer one. That 50% addresses my comment, but also, MDMs are third party solutions. Regardless, my point is that opinionatedness is a feature that some people buy, even if many people on this forum don't. e.g. people might prefer to eat at a nice prix fixe restaurant instead of the Cheesecake Factory.

stale2002 3y ago

> You're removing choices, not adding them. Just don't install those other apps then. It's the same exact argument that you made! The same one! So no, your choice is not being removed, because in your own words, using your own argument, you can just not install those other apps.

generalizations 3y ago
"Curated system", not curated apps. Words matter and I chose those for a reason. The "gotcha" you attempted just makes it clear that you have no idea why the walled garden creates an environment that is more attractive to the average user.
- fsflover 3y ago
  > the walled garden creates an environment that is more attractive to the average user. Any studies confirming this, or is it just your opinion? In my experience, nobody who owns an iPhone knows about the walled garden (among non-tech people at least).
  - generalizations 3y ago
    > studies confirming this Market share is pretty easy to look up? iPhones are massively popular, and have the majority market share in the US. > nobody who owns an iPhone knows about the walled garden That's-a bingo! Exactly. Because it just works, because Apple has tight control over the pipeline. They don't need to know and it seems like tech people don't appreciate the degree to which a trustworthy, mostly-idiot-proof appliance is incredibly valuable to the average user. Choosing between stores and warnings about trojans in security apps are not things that most users care about or want to think about. iPhones are great because the user can have little idea what they're doing, and still be pretty sure they won't screw it up. As I've said elsewhere, I run void linux on my personal thinkpads because I customize everything. But that's not for everyone.
    - fsflover 3y ago