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> To my mind all of this comes back to the free market: you're free to ignore all this stuff and keep getting everything through the App Store. If you and many

> To my mind all of this comes back to the free market: you're free to ignore all this stuff and keep getting everything through the App Store. If you and many others do the same thing then the market will prove the idea to be a dud. This only really creates no impact to users if Apple were to force all apps to also be listed in their App Store. If, e.g., Facebook were to decide they don’t like existing App Store policies and start their own store and only list their apps there, for a large portion of people using Facebook’s store would effectively be a requirement (in many places WhatsApp is a requirement). What happens when the app for some piece of hardware you bought is on a 3rd party store? You don’t have a choice there either. (Besides returning the hardware if you have the option.) I’m with the GP here. I don’t own any other Apple hardware, but bought my phone (after a long line of Android hardware starting from the original ADP1) specifically to not have to deal with any of this. I don’t have the time and energy to deal with any of this anymore. I have paid a premium to have these choices taken away from me and the decisions made for me. Sorry I’m ruining the world, but if people want a phone they can install arbitrary binaries on I really don’t understand why they can’t just go buy an Android. As you say, free markets… if this _actually_ mattered to people then Apple should take a hit in the market and either change their behavior or disappear entirely. Yet here we are.

valicord 3y ago
> What happens when the app for some piece of hardware you bought is on a 3rd party store? You don’t have a choice there either. (Besides returning the hardware if you have the option.) Surely that's more choice than if the app for some piece of hardware you bought is not on iOS at all because Apple refuses to approve it?
orangecat 3y ago
What happens when the app for some piece of hardware you bought is on a 3rd party store? What happens if the app is only available for iOS? What happens when all your friends use iMessage and Facetime? Apple isn't saving us from platform lock-in; they're benefiting hugely from it. I don’t own any other Apple hardware, but bought my phone (after a long line of Android hardware starting from the original ADP1) specifically to not have to deal with any of this. I don’t have the time and energy to deal with any of this anymore. What is "this"? My Android phone works fine with zero maintenance, but when I occasionally want to do hacky things with it I can.
ambichook 3y ago
a question, is facebook on the google play store, which has the standard 30% cut? netflix? discord? just because the option is there doesnt mean every app is just going to up and leave, it just means they have a choice, and if apples curation is so great, the reputation of being on the app store will be a value add that may make it worth it to stay, even ignoring the fact that the app store is already just people's default way to find apps on their iphone.

valicord 3y ago

> What happens when the app for some piece of hardware you bought is on a 3rd party store? You don’t have a choice there either. (Besides returning the hardware if you have the option.) Surely that's more choice than if the app for some piece of hardware you bought is not on iOS at all because Apple refuses to approve it?

orangecat 3y ago

What happens when the app for some piece of hardware you bought is on a 3rd party store? What happens if the app is only available for iOS? What happens when all your friends use iMessage and Facetime? Apple isn't saving us from platform lock-in; they're benefiting hugely from it. I don’t own any other Apple hardware, but bought my phone (after a long line of Android hardware starting from the original ADP1) specifically to not have to deal with any of this. I don’t have the time and energy to deal with any of this anymore. What is "this"? My Android phone works fine with zero maintenance, but when I occasionally want to do hacky things with it I can.

ambichook 3y ago

a question, is facebook on the google play store, which has the standard 30% cut? netflix? discord? just because the option is there doesnt mean every app is just going to up and leave, it just means they have a choice, and if apples curation is so great, the reputation of being on the app store will be a value add that may make it worth it to stay, even ignoring the fact that the app store is already just people's default way to find apps on their iphone.