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Meanwhile we didn't have a replacement, and any replacement lacks of all the features you list, text selection, etc. It got killed because Apple stopped suppor

Meanwhile we didn't have a replacement, and any replacement lacks of all the features you list, text selection, etc. It got killed because Apple stopped supporting it. That's the reason.

malauxyeux 3y ago
> It got killed because Apple stopped supporting it. That's how it happened in my orbit anyway. Steve Jobs published an open letter entitled "Thoughts on Flash", in which he said that iOS would never support Flash. We had a discussion at the web shop I was working for; we decided to stop making new things in Flash. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Flash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Flash
- dugmartin 3y ago
  Fun story: Apple demoed the iPad to Hollywood execs a couple weeks before the release. The Hollywood folks saw all their web properties rendering almost no UI and their video content not available. I worked for a boutique consulting firm at that time and Warner Bros/Telepictures was our big client. We immediately got calls from a lot of execs and I had a week long firedrill of converting MANY Telepictures properties from Flash (mostly for the video content rendering with timecoded UI updates). They also had a video delivery company that was co-located with AOL fly out to Burbank and fly back with tons of hard drives full of episodes of Ellen, the Tyra Banks show, etc to recode from Flash video to video that could be served with the <video> content tag on iPads. It somehow all got done by the iPad release and Apple published a top 10 "sites that work great on iPad" page on their site and we had done 4 out of 10 of them. All we had to test on was desktop Safari resized to the screen size they told us it needed to work on.
yreg 3y ago
The replacement is CSS + JS. Thank God Apple helped kill Flash.
- GenerocUsername 3y ago
  And 10 years later I just don't see the level of amateur uptake that flash had. For 10 years flash minted thousands of young animators and content creators. Since flashes death there are far fewer upstarts and communities despite Internet adoption being magnitudes higher
  - BizarroLand 3y ago
    Yep. The tech may be more mature and less prone to breakage, but the fun of creating, the joy of stupid games went with it for a lot of folks.
  - beAbU 3y ago
    The heyday of Newgrounds was truly a golden age for stupid amateur cartoons and games.
  - yreg 3y ago
    I would bet there are many more young amateur animators and content creators now than there have been 10 years ago. Their work is just more diverse than the "signature Flash animation look".
  - gs17 3y ago
    I really think the all-in-one-ness of Flash is what made it so easy to use. Not only that you can make almost everything for a game/cartoon in one interface (IIRC audio wasn't included), but also that the output was a single file you could share easily. The rampant piracy of old Flash versions probably helped a lot too.
Aerroon 3y ago
I remember that a lot of people were sure that we were going to get an even better replacement. "HTML5 is going to be the replacement." So much for that. Goodbye web games.
- gs17 3y ago
  There are still a lot of "web games", but it's nothing like it used to be.

Meanwhile we didn't have a replacement, and any replacement lacks of all the features you list, text selection, etc. It got killed because Apple stopped supporting it. That's the reason.

malauxyeux 3y ago

> It got killed because Apple stopped supporting it. That's how it happened in my orbit anyway. Steve Jobs published an open letter entitled "Thoughts on Flash", in which he said that iOS would never support Flash. We had a discussion at the web shop I was working for; we decided to stop making new things in Flash. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Flash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughts_on_Flash

dugmartin 3y ago
Fun story: Apple demoed the iPad to Hollywood execs a couple weeks before the release. The Hollywood folks saw all their web properties rendering almost no UI and their video content not available. I worked for a boutique consulting firm at that time and Warner Bros/Telepictures was our big client. We immediately got calls from a lot of execs and I had a week long firedrill of converting MANY Telepictures properties from Flash (mostly for the video content rendering with timecoded UI updates). They also had a video delivery company that was co-located with AOL fly out to Burbank and fly back with tons of hard drives full of episodes of Ellen, the Tyra Banks show, etc to recode from Flash video to video that could be served with the <video> content tag on iPads. It somehow all got done by the iPad release and Apple published a top 10 "sites that work great on iPad" page on their site and we had done 4 out of 10 of them. All we had to test on was desktop Safari resized to the screen size they told us it needed to work on.

yreg 3y ago

The replacement is CSS + JS. Thank God Apple helped kill Flash.

GenerocUsername 3y ago
And 10 years later I just don't see the level of amateur uptake that flash had. For 10 years flash minted thousands of young animators and content creators. Since flashes death there are far fewer upstarts and communities despite Internet adoption being magnitudes higher
- BizarroLand 3y ago
  Yep. The tech may be more mature and less prone to breakage, but the fun of creating, the joy of stupid games went with it for a lot of folks.
- beAbU 3y ago
  The heyday of Newgrounds was truly a golden age for stupid amateur cartoons and games.
- yreg 3y ago
  I would bet there are many more young amateur animators and content creators now than there have been 10 years ago. Their work is just more diverse than the "signature Flash animation look".
- gs17 3y ago
  I really think the all-in-one-ness of Flash is what made it so easy to use. Not only that you can make almost everything for a game/cartoon in one interface (IIRC audio wasn't included), but also that the output was a single file you could share easily. The rampant piracy of old Flash versions probably helped a lot too.

Aerroon 3y ago

I remember that a lot of people were sure that we were going to get an even better replacement. "HTML5 is going to be the replacement." So much for that. Goodbye web games.

gs17 3y ago
There are still a lot of "web games", but it's nothing like it used to be.