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Why not? Android has nearly twice as much marketshare as Apple in Europe.

realusername 3y ago
Because it's not a market, that's the whole problem, you have to target both platforms no matter what you do otherwise you are losing some marketshare. (Unless you are doing it as a hobby like me of course) It's not like you can install android apps on iphone or iphone apps on android. Sure in a market you might tell the consumer "shop somewhere else" but that's not an option here since they can't.
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- carlosjobim 3y ago
  There's endless examples of apps that are exclusively iOS or exclusively Android. Many high quality paid apps are only on one platform.
  - realusername 3y ago
    That still doesn't make it a market, they lost users with this decision. It's nowhere like shops where you can price compare and pick the shop you want every week. In an actual market, both marketplace would compete.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      I fail to understand your point. It's up to developers what platforms they want to serve.
      - realusername 3y ago
        That's not a decision, you are losing 100% of the users on the other platform... What's why I'm saying it's not a market, phone users can't price compare stores.
        carlosjobim 3y ago
        Do you suffer from some kind of God complex? People other than you will make their own decisions on how to conduct their own life and business. Even if you don't agree with those decisions.
        realusername 3y ago
        Why you don't seem to understand how it works in any other industry? I'm building a house, I'm going to buy the floor at shop B and the walls at shop A because it's a better value. I want to buy some groceries, I can buy bread at shop A and eggs at shop B. When you're on mobile you buy everything either at the play store or the appstore depending on your phone, that's it, zero choice, it's either everything in one or the other. So first a grand total of two stores for the entire world isn't going cut it regardless and then those stores don't even compete with each other anyways because you are locked in to just one with your phone. Is that any clearer now why it's not a market or still not?
dotnet00 3y ago
The cost of switching device ecosystems can be comparable to the cost of renting an apartment in richer countries, and exceeding the monthly income in poorer countries. Yet we clearly recognize that renters need protections and can't reasonably be told to just move apartments over anything. So why shouldn't we hold phone ecosystems to the same standards? Especially when both do their best to make migration to the other difficult.
- sanitycheck 3y ago
  I... Don't really see what your numbers could look like, here. Buying a cheap Android phone is $200-300 and selling an iPhone will more than pay for that. Switching from iCloud to something else for backups will actually save a little bit per month. Average London rent is equivalent to 40K USD per year, as a random "richer country" example. It's not in the same ballpark, is it?
  - oarsinsync 3y ago
    > Average London rent is equivalent to 40K USD per year, as a random "richer country" example. It's not in the same ballpark, is it? Average London rent is $3333 per month per person? I’m struggling to believe that.
    - KomoD 3y ago
      Q4 2023: greater london: ~£2600/mo (~US$3200) inner london: ~£3100/mo (~US$3900) outer london: ~£2200/mo (~US$2800) https://www.rightmove.co.uk/news/rental-price-tracker https://www.rightmove.co.uk/news/rental-price-tracker
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    - sanitycheck 3y ago
      From the result of a quick web search which found this as the first result, yes: https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/renting/london-rent-new-record-high-2024-b1134936.html https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/renting/london-r... Not per person, I haven't ever been charged per person except in student accommodation and Japanese hotel rooms, not sure how we'd know what that would be.
meindnoch 3y ago
You realize how poor Android users are? There's no money to be made on Android, period. Many companies tried, all of them failed.

Because it's not a market, that's the whole problem, you have to target both platforms no matter what you do otherwise you are losing some marketshare. (Unless you are doing it as a hobby like me of course) It's not like you can install android apps on iphone or iphone apps on android. Sure in a market you might tell the consumer "shop somewhere else" but that's not an option here since they can't.

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carlosjobim 3y ago
There's endless examples of apps that are exclusively iOS or exclusively Android. Many high quality paid apps are only on one platform.
- realusername 3y ago
  That still doesn't make it a market, they lost users with this decision. It's nowhere like shops where you can price compare and pick the shop you want every week. In an actual market, both marketplace would compete.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    I fail to understand your point. It's up to developers what platforms they want to serve.
    - realusername 3y ago
      That's not a decision, you are losing 100% of the users on the other platform... What's why I'm saying it's not a market, phone users can't price compare stores.
      - carlosjobim 3y ago
        Do you suffer from some kind of God complex? People other than you will make their own decisions on how to conduct their own life and business. Even if you don't agree with those decisions.
        realusername 3y ago
        Why you don't seem to understand how it works in any other industry? I'm building a house, I'm going to buy the floor at shop B and the walls at shop A because it's a better value. I want to buy some groceries, I can buy bread at shop A and eggs at shop B. When you're on mobile you buy everything either at the play store or the appstore depending on your phone, that's it, zero choice, it's either everything in one or the other. So first a grand total of two stores for the entire world isn't going cut it regardless and then those stores don't even compete with each other anyways because you are locked in to just one with your phone. Is that any clearer now why it's not a market or still not?

dotnet00 3y ago

The cost of switching device ecosystems can be comparable to the cost of renting an apartment in richer countries, and exceeding the monthly income in poorer countries. Yet we clearly recognize that renters need protections and can't reasonably be told to just move apartments over anything. So why shouldn't we hold phone ecosystems to the same standards? Especially when both do their best to make migration to the other difficult.

sanitycheck 3y ago
I... Don't really see what your numbers could look like, here. Buying a cheap Android phone is $200-300 and selling an iPhone will more than pay for that. Switching from iCloud to something else for backups will actually save a little bit per month. Average London rent is equivalent to 40K USD per year, as a random "richer country" example. It's not in the same ballpark, is it?
- oarsinsync 3y ago
  > Average London rent is equivalent to 40K USD per year, as a random "richer country" example. It's not in the same ballpark, is it? Average London rent is $3333 per month per person? I’m struggling to believe that.
  - KomoD 3y ago
    Q4 2023: greater london: ~£2600/mo (~US$3200) inner london: ~£3100/mo (~US$3900) outer london: ~£2200/mo (~US$2800) https://www.rightmove.co.uk/news/rental-price-tracker https://www.rightmove.co.uk/news/rental-price-tracker
    - deleted 3y ago
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  - sanitycheck 3y ago
    From the result of a quick web search which found this as the first result, yes: https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/renting/london-rent-new-record-high-2024-b1134936.html https://www.standard.co.uk/homesandproperty/renting/london-r... Not per person, I haven't ever been charged per person except in student accommodation and Japanese hotel rooms, not sure how we'd know what that would be.

meindnoch 3y ago

You realize how poor Android users are? There's no money to be made on Android, period. Many companies tried, all of them failed.