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I'm still confused whether this is a joke or not.

jefftk 3y ago
I don't think it's a joke; at https://github.com/sixarm/usv https://github.com/sixarm/usv they discuss how they're working on IANA standardization.
romeoblade 3y ago
Apparently it is not. They have submitted it to the ietf. I will have to watch closely to see if librecalc/excel and languages/libraries adopt support. Seems like it does solve some common problems with CSV. https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-unicode-separated-values-00.html https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-unicode-separated-valu... https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-unicode-separated-values/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-unicode-separated-val...
usrusr 3y ago
I certainly hope that anyone proposing a Unicode CSV variant as a joke would pick some raised hand emoji as the separator and the victory gesture (0xe011, also popular as an approximation of how an air quote emoji would look like) as the quote character. But we already keep stumbling over missing support for the on-demand quote character even with separators like comma and tab, using more exotic characters as the separator will only make it worse. The value of less escaping is negative.
knallfrosch 3y ago
Completely unreadable. Then again, Germans know the pain of decimal points. We write 3.000,00 for exactly three thousand, instead of 3,000.00 Now imagine how often parsing breaks.
- alwyn 3y ago
  In my head 3.000,00 is correct and I always get confused because it seems most(?) people use the other method.
- Ekaros 3y ago
  Finland uses 3 000,00 which is also kinda pain to parse. I think rarely used ' to group thousands is actually most sensible solution.
  - euroderf 3y ago
    And now and then you encounter a web form in the .fi domain that rejects "," and expects ".", but does not tell you that that is the reason for rejecting your input. The web "designers" that deploy such crap in .fi should be sent to Siberia.

I don't think it's a joke; at https://github.com/sixarm/usv https://github.com/sixarm/usv they discuss how they're working on IANA standardization.

romeoblade 3y ago

Apparently it is not. They have submitted it to the ietf. I will have to watch closely to see if librecalc/excel and languages/libraries adopt support. Seems like it does solve some common problems with CSV. https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-unicode-separated-values-00.html https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-unicode-separated-valu... https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-unicode-separated-values/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-unicode-separated-val...

usrusr 3y ago

I certainly hope that anyone proposing a Unicode CSV variant as a joke would pick some raised hand emoji as the separator and the victory gesture (0xe011, also popular as an approximation of how an air quote emoji would look like) as the quote character. But we already keep stumbling over missing support for the on-demand quote character even with separators like comma and tab, using more exotic characters as the separator will only make it worse. The value of less escaping is negative.

knallfrosch 3y ago

Completely unreadable. Then again, Germans know the pain of decimal points. We write 3.000,00 for exactly three thousand, instead of 3,000.00 Now imagine how often parsing breaks.

alwyn 3y ago
In my head 3.000,00 is correct and I always get confused because it seems most(?) people use the other method.
Ekaros 3y ago
Finland uses 3 000,00 which is also kinda pain to parse. I think rarely used ' to group thousands is actually most sensible solution.
- euroderf 3y ago
  And now and then you encounter a web form in the .fi domain that rejects "," and expects ".", but does not tell you that that is the reason for rejecting your input. The web "designers" that deploy such crap in .fi should be sent to Siberia.