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What crime is Ukraine guilty of? Ukraine is not in NATO. One side is murdering and the other side should make peace by being murdered? What is my country guil

What crime is Ukraine guilty of? Ukraine is not in NATO. One side is murdering and the other side should make peace by being murdered? What is my country guilty of?

boffinAudio 3y ago
Ukraine invited NATO-aligned actors to set up bases along its borders with Russia. That has been considered by the Russians to be an aggressive act warranting a hostile response. I don't agree with the invasion and destruction of Ukraine's eastern regions to be an appropriate response - but me, not agreeing with something, doesn't make it propaganda. Propaganda is "NATO and Ukraine have done nothing wrong, Russia are just inventing reasons". This propaganda is designed to prevent you from having a rational look at the reasons. Propaganda shuts down continued thought on the subject - I invite you to consider that perhaps you have not thought enough about why the Russians are willing to sacrifice so much, on their own borders. Just as you are inviting me to really, really think about whether Ukraines' actions warranted this heinous response. (Clue: I don't agree with any war, or that there is any such things as an honorable war these days. No nation state is worth the life of another human being, period. Both Russian and Ukrainian citizens as well as their ruling political classes should be reminded of this fact, repeatedly.)
- jnsaff2 3y ago
  > Beginning with the reign of Ivan the Terrible in the sixteenth century, Russia managed to expand at an average rate of 50 square miles per day for hundreds of years, eventually covering one-sixth of the earth’s landmass. Maybe, just maybe, consider whether any of this expansion has not been active war and murder? You are doing victim blaming by putting any fault on Ukraine for trying to protect themselves from invasion. They did not manage to protect themselves and now are somehow at fault for war. In your opinion the victim has to make peace not the aggressor. What a twisted mind. You say both need to be reminded but somehow only say NATO is bad even tho NATO is not even part of this conflict.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    NATO is the #1 aggressor in the world today, bar none. It has demolished countless sovereign states in its quest to enact the plans for world domination made by the US and its ruling oligarch classes, as manifest in the CNAC/PNAC clique - which has set the US' disastrous foreign policy course for the last two decades. The US - and its NATO allies, using NATO bases - murdered 5% of Iraqs population in cold blood, on the basis of outright lies. Did you forget these details in your rush to study history? This is recent history - as in there are still millions of victims, who blame the NATO alliance, and the 5-eyes/12-eyes criminal superstate, for the murder, calamity and bloodshed delivered to them, on average, every twenty minutes for the last twenty years. Yes, Ukraine has made a deal with the devil. Even if the American people aren't aware of it, the rest of the world has been watching NATO member states' war crimes tallies climb into the stratosphere. Far, far above and beyond anything that even Russia can deliver on the war fronts it fights - on its own border. > NATO is not even part of this conflict. That is utterly false, and the fact you would proffer this inane statement belies the truth that you are indeed, a victim of insane propaganda.
    - Wytwwww 3y ago
      > It has demolished countless sovereign states Now name one at least (besides maybe Serbia which isn't exactly demolished however you look at it). > The US - and its NATO allies, using NATO bases - murdered 5% of Iraqs population in cold blood That's actually a pretty outright lie...
  - mopsi 3y ago
    > Ukraine invited NATO-aligned actors to set up bases along its borders with Russia. That has been considered by the Russians to be an aggressive act warranting a hostile response. The bases in Ukraine intended for training Ukrainian intelligence staff by US specialists were established two years AFTER Russian invasion, and did not lead to any hostile responses beyond the usual death and destruction that Russia has been sowing all over Ukraine since 2014.
    - boffinAudio 3y ago

What crime is Ukraine guilty of? Ukraine is not in NATO. One side is murdering and the other side should make peace by being murdered? What is my country guilty of?

boffinAudio 3y ago

Ukraine invited NATO-aligned actors to set up bases along its borders with Russia. That has been considered by the Russians to be an aggressive act warranting a hostile response. I don't agree with the invasion and destruction of Ukraine's eastern regions to be an appropriate response - but me, not agreeing with something, doesn't make it propaganda. Propaganda is "NATO and Ukraine have done nothing wrong, Russia are just inventing reasons". This propaganda is designed to prevent you from having a rational look at the reasons. Propaganda shuts down continued thought on the subject - I invite you to consider that perhaps you have not thought enough about why the Russians are willing to sacrifice so much, on their own borders. Just as you are inviting me to really, really think about whether Ukraines' actions warranted this heinous response. (Clue: I don't agree with any war, or that there is any such things as an honorable war these days. No nation state is worth the life of another human being, period. Both Russian and Ukrainian citizens as well as their ruling political classes should be reminded of this fact, repeatedly.)

jnsaff2 3y ago
> Beginning with the reign of Ivan the Terrible in the sixteenth century, Russia managed to expand at an average rate of 50 square miles per day for hundreds of years, eventually covering one-sixth of the earth’s landmass. Maybe, just maybe, consider whether any of this expansion has not been active war and murder? You are doing victim blaming by putting any fault on Ukraine for trying to protect themselves from invasion. They did not manage to protect themselves and now are somehow at fault for war. In your opinion the victim has to make peace not the aggressor. What a twisted mind. You say both need to be reminded but somehow only say NATO is bad even tho NATO is not even part of this conflict.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  NATO is the #1 aggressor in the world today, bar none. It has demolished countless sovereign states in its quest to enact the plans for world domination made by the US and its ruling oligarch classes, as manifest in the CNAC/PNAC clique - which has set the US' disastrous foreign policy course for the last two decades. The US - and its NATO allies, using NATO bases - murdered 5% of Iraqs population in cold blood, on the basis of outright lies. Did you forget these details in your rush to study history? This is recent history - as in there are still millions of victims, who blame the NATO alliance, and the 5-eyes/12-eyes criminal superstate, for the murder, calamity and bloodshed delivered to them, on average, every twenty minutes for the last twenty years. Yes, Ukraine has made a deal with the devil. Even if the American people aren't aware of it, the rest of the world has been watching NATO member states' war crimes tallies climb into the stratosphere. Far, far above and beyond anything that even Russia can deliver on the war fronts it fights - on its own border. > NATO is not even part of this conflict. That is utterly false, and the fact you would proffer this inane statement belies the truth that you are indeed, a victim of insane propaganda.
  - Wytwwww 3y ago
    > It has demolished countless sovereign states Now name one at least (besides maybe Serbia which isn't exactly demolished however you look at it). > The US - and its NATO allies, using NATO bases - murdered 5% of Iraqs population in cold blood That's actually a pretty outright lie...
- mopsi 3y ago
  > Ukraine invited NATO-aligned actors to set up bases along its borders with Russia. That has been considered by the Russians to be an aggressive act warranting a hostile response. The bases in Ukraine intended for training Ukrainian intelligence staff by US specialists were established two years AFTER Russian invasion, and did not lead to any hostile responses beyond the usual death and destruction that Russia has been sowing all over Ukraine since 2014.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago