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yes, very worrying to be able to run software you want on the device that you purchased

acdha 3y ago
This framing ignores the very real harm which has come to millions of people. It’s not the 80s any more and there are mature industries built around spying on users or tricking them into decisions with significant financial consequences. Most of the effective defenses require something like notarization to make it hard for attackers to simply disappear without legal consequences, so we need ways to do that at reasonable cost. €0.50 seems like a reasonable cost for that, similar to how we don’t make circuit breakers or seatbelts optional just because some guy thinks he doesn’t need them and resents paying the extra cost.
overstay8930 3y ago
I’m not going to hire an IT team to install and maintain MDM to prevent my grandmother from falling for a scam website and installing “free money quick 2024 +++ candy crush ultra”
- Ajedi32 3y ago
  If you want to block your grandma from being able to install apps from outside the Apple app store, that's fine (as long as she agrees to it). Seems like a useful feature. Maybe file it under "parental controls" or something. If you want to block me from being able to install apps from outside the Apple app store though, that's none of your business (or Apple's).
  - overstay8930 3y ago
    It is Apple’s business, actually. Don’t like it? You don’t like anything about the Apple ecosystem. Buy an Android phone from one of the thousands of OEMs. Apple is not stopping you from buying a phone that isn’t from Apple. If most people thought like you did, they would just not buy iPhones. The problem is nobody wants what you’re asking for, because you’re buying into the euro-populist cope that it helps consumers, even though this was just a play to allow European companies to even have a small chance at making money in tech because of how over regulated the industry is in Europe. You’re asking for iOS to be a flavor of Android, and the reality is the Android experience fucking sucks.
    - tristan957 3y ago
      How is anyone supposed to take your argument seriously when you use the term "euro-populist cope?" > even though this was just a play to allow European companies to even have a small chance at making money in tech because of how over regulated the industry is in Europe Please cite your sources. > You’re asking for iOS to be a flavor of Android, and the reality is the Android experience fucking sucks. No. The user is clearly asking to run software on a device that they own. Why is Apple controlling what software people can run on hardware that they don't own? Should Microsoft not allow people to run software on devices that Microsoft does not own?

This framing ignores the very real harm which has come to millions of people. It’s not the 80s any more and there are mature industries built around spying on users or tricking them into decisions with significant financial consequences. Most of the effective defenses require something like notarization to make it hard for attackers to simply disappear without legal consequences, so we need ways to do that at reasonable cost. €0.50 seems like a reasonable cost for that, similar to how we don’t make circuit breakers or seatbelts optional just because some guy thinks he doesn’t need them and resents paying the extra cost.

overstay8930 3y ago

I’m not going to hire an IT team to install and maintain MDM to prevent my grandmother from falling for a scam website and installing “free money quick 2024 +++ candy crush ultra”

Ajedi32 3y ago
If you want to block your grandma from being able to install apps from outside the Apple app store, that's fine (as long as she agrees to it). Seems like a useful feature. Maybe file it under "parental controls" or something. If you want to block me from being able to install apps from outside the Apple app store though, that's none of your business (or Apple's).
- overstay8930 3y ago
  It is Apple’s business, actually. Don’t like it? You don’t like anything about the Apple ecosystem. Buy an Android phone from one of the thousands of OEMs. Apple is not stopping you from buying a phone that isn’t from Apple. If most people thought like you did, they would just not buy iPhones. The problem is nobody wants what you’re asking for, because you’re buying into the euro-populist cope that it helps consumers, even though this was just a play to allow European companies to even have a small chance at making money in tech because of how over regulated the industry is in Europe. You’re asking for iOS to be a flavor of Android, and the reality is the Android experience fucking sucks.
  - tristan957 3y ago
    How is anyone supposed to take your argument seriously when you use the term "euro-populist cope?" > even though this was just a play to allow European companies to even have a small chance at making money in tech because of how over regulated the industry is in Europe Please cite your sources. > You’re asking for iOS to be a flavor of Android, and the reality is the Android experience fucking sucks. No. The user is clearly asking to run software on a device that they own. Why is Apple controlling what software people can run on hardware that they don't own? Should Microsoft not allow people to run software on devices that Microsoft does not own?