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> there's an infinite number of alternate explanations I see only one reasonably acceptable alternate explanation. He either committed suicide or was suicided
by rmbyrro 3y ago
> there's an infinite number of alternate explanations
I see only one reasonably acceptable alternate explanation.
He either committed suicide or was suicided by someone at Boeing terrified about what would happen to them in jail.
- taf2 3y agoOr killed by a nation state that thrives on creating conflict by amplifying two sided situations that lead to increased polarization and more instability… the problem with speculation is it’s just that speculation… I’m going to wait and see
- ReflectedImage 3y agoWait and see for what exactly?
- pydry 3y agoSure they did. While we're talking tall conspiracy theories - ill bet Biden had Navalny killed too for the same reason /s
- LastTrain 3y ago“I’m not going to speculate but here is the most wild and unfounded bit of speculation I can think of…”
- rmbyrro 3y ago"That's the problem with speculation (...)", which is: it's used to discredit the most plausible explanations.
- tempaccount420 3y agoIt's poisoning the well when others are arguing in good faith with reasonable explanations.
- mlrtime 3y agoStill waiting for Epstein... Seriously though, I've watched way too many movies where there is a staged suicide to not be biased against a story like this. There is no way we'll ever know what happened unless there is a trial with a lot of non circumstantial evidence presented.
- rmbyrro 3y agoHow would a nation state "thrive" on assassinating this person? May I ask if you live in the U.S.? I have the impression that a lot of people there think that other nations revolve around destroying the U.S.
- 7thaccount 3y agoI'm definitely not saying that's what happened here (I find it highly unlikely), but if a nation state did do that, there could be a desire to sow additional mistrust of a major US company. Edit: this is just because someone asked what a hypothetical motive could be
- browningstreet 3y agoThere are a lot of reports of Putin actively interfering to destabilize the west, and also reports in places like the NYTs about the US expanding bases in Ukraine to provoke Russia into the war. These aren’t Twitter rants, they’re in our mainstream “big” media outlets.
- pphysch 3y agoWorld leaders have way too much on their plate to be personally involved in assassinating random foreign citizens for high-degree political effects. If you see this headline, and story, and immediately think of Putin, that is an unhealthy level of conspiratorial thinking. There is literally no evidence to support this line.
- dvdkon 3y agoI don't think anyone actually believes Putin personally organises many individual operations in foreign countries. You're just getting hung up on a common shortcut: "Putin" means "someone under Putin's (not even direct) command" here.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoThis is a niche, US specific issue. Assassinations expose agents that take years to plant. If Russia wanted to get involved, they would honey trap executives, hack them, etc. Getting involved at this low level is absurd. It’s like finding a Turd on you lawn, and claiming it’s part of a Russian Plot.
- rmbyrro 3y ago"The problem with speculation is" that i'ts used to discredit the most plausible explanations.
- riehwvfbk 3y ago[flagged]
- rjbwork 3y agoThey were actually referencing Russia, I'm pretty sure.
- riehwvfbk 3y agoI don't know, if one counts interference by the number of puppet governments created I know which of this pair would come out on top. And usually the installation of a puppet government sends a country on a downward spiral that's hard to recover from. See: Haiti, Iraq, Egypt.
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- baja_blast 3y agoAh yes, a rival nation would want a whistleblower that brings bad press on their rival to be silenced right before further hearings. Funny how that works out in Boeing's favor more than anyone else.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago> Or killed by a nation state that thrives on creating conflict This just a wildly fanciful excuse, it has never happened in American soil. oh wait, you mean the CIA?
- hef19898 3y agoSomehow, most people fail to see the obvious: The ongoing FAA audits at both, Spirit Aerospace and Boeing (so far it looks horrible based on initial reporting) will identify each and every single verifiable whistleblower claim anyways. So no, despite the general retaliation against whistleblowers out of princial (for the record, that alone is illegal and should be punished a lot harder and more often), Boeing as a company or individual employees have nothing to gain here. Funny how a place full of rather smart, educated and curious people like HN collectively fail to see that one, very simple, fact.
- kaycey2022 3y agoWhy do you think this FAA audit will not be corrupted?
- hef19898 3y agoTo come down to the general quality of discusion: reasons. On a more serious note: Reporting states that Boeing and Spirit failed a third of their audits, so there is that. Also, FAA stopped Boeing from expanding their 737 MAX capacity. Also also, EASA can audit them as well (and very well might, deoending on what findings the FAA audits have; same as the FAA can audit Airbus in Europe). But hey, if you think up even bigger, broader and deeper conspiracies necessary to make the initial obe believable, I cannot help you, or anyone. Not the first time I think about quitting this place, for a couple of months now, discussion quality ain't any better than then comment section of my local newspaper. And thus really not worth the time.
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