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Also not true, I know the big farms of my state and they don't depend on minimum wage workers and I live in a third world country. I doubt agricultural wages o

Also not true, I know the big farms of my state and they don't depend on minimum wage workers and I live in a third world country. I doubt agricultural wages or truck drivers are minimum wage jobs where you live. Assuming US https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Farm_Labor/fl_allwg.php https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Farm_Labor/fl_allw...

lm28469 3y ago
France is one of if not the biggest agriculture power in Europe, most farmers can't even generate a 35hr min wage equivalent while working 80+ hours a week. 20% of them live in poverty, half of them make less than 22k euros a year Truck drivers earn between min wage and 150% of min wage, while being on the road every day and not having a social life, they drive 8 hours per day and sleep in their fucking truck while some code monkey makes 300k+/year coding memeojis at apple. Guess which ones will be automated first by openai lmao
- qvrjuec 3y ago
  >Truck drivers earn between min wage and 150% of min wage Where are you getting this information? It's absolutely wrong. Long haul truckers (the one's you're saying don't have social lives because they drive 8 hours per day) make $71,196 on average in the US[1]. [1] https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/LONG-HAUL-Truck-Driver-Salary#Yearly https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/LONG-HAUL-Truck-Driver...
  - allendoerfer 3y ago
    He is talking about France in the sentence before. There are barely any truckers in Germany with a German nationality. They are simply not competitive. Same goes for package delivery. Just imagine what would happen to a trucker's salary in the US if it were to create a unified market with Mexico and all of Central America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_Europe... It's not necessarily a bad thing. Economies of Eastern European countries have been growing after all and Western Europe does not have enough workers because of its demographics anyway. My take is, that everybody is winning, there is less poverty than before, but some sideffects look ugly for a while.
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  >half of them make less than 22k euros a year I'd be extremely happy making this amount. Some people are just accustomed to easier lives. >while some code monkey makes 300k+/year coding memeojis at apple. Meme position for a privileged caste statistically irrespective of skill in an institution that can piss money on anything and still succeed.
diggan 3y ago
Farm work, especially work that doesn't require specialization (planting, maintaining, harvesting), is pretty much minimum wage work where I live, in Spain. Minimum wage here is ~1300 EUR / month. But it also differs wildly by region here, as some regions are really poor while others rich (relatively). Besides the farm work, there is food processing workers (cutting, cleaning, basically assembly lines), packaging, workers at warehouses, people who work at the counters of the store, and all the support roles for those positions. If you go outside and eat, you have all the restaurant personnel to take into account as well. There is a lot of low skilled labor that goes into making what we eat today. I'm not sure how you could possibly claim that none of those people are on minimum wage.
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  Not all of the work you cited is essential. Would society crumble without retail? Minimum wage in Spain is significantly more money than anything I've made in my life. It's a very comfortable position for the vast majority of the world. >There is a lot of low skilled labor that goes into making what we eat today. I'm not sure how you could possibly claim that none of those people are on minimum wage. People doing essential work that isn't trivially replaceable have the bargaining power to charge more than the minimum wage in a moderately free market of human work, usually they do.
  - squigz 3y ago
    > Not all of the work you cited is essential. Would society crumble without retail? Did I miss the part where the other comment mentioned retail, or where you respond to the half dozen other examples of essential work? > Minimum wage in Spain is significantly more money than anything I've made in my life. It's a very comfortable position for the vast majority of the world. Instead of moving the bar some more, could you just define what minimum wage would be an acceptable bar for you in this conversation?
    - hotdogscout 3y ago
      Yes you missed retail, read it again. https://uk.indeed.com/career/warehouse-worker/salaries https://uk.indeed.com/career/warehouse-worker/salaries Do you really need me to Google every single essential position known before conceding that society is not maintained by minimum wage workers?

lm28469 3y ago

France is one of if not the biggest agriculture power in Europe, most farmers can't even generate a 35hr min wage equivalent while working 80+ hours a week. 20% of them live in poverty, half of them make less than 22k euros a year Truck drivers earn between min wage and 150% of min wage, while being on the road every day and not having a social life, they drive 8 hours per day and sleep in their fucking truck while some code monkey makes 300k+/year coding memeojis at apple. Guess which ones will be automated first by openai lmao

qvrjuec 3y ago
>Truck drivers earn between min wage and 150% of min wage Where are you getting this information? It's absolutely wrong. Long haul truckers (the one's you're saying don't have social lives because they drive 8 hours per day) make $71,196 on average in the US[1]. [1] https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/LONG-HAUL-Truck-Driver-Salary#Yearly https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/LONG-HAUL-Truck-Driver...
- allendoerfer 3y ago
  He is talking about France in the sentence before. There are barely any truckers in Germany with a German nationality. They are simply not competitive. Same goes for package delivery. Just imagine what would happen to a trucker's salary in the US if it were to create a unified market with Mexico and all of Central America. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_Europe... It's not necessarily a bad thing. Economies of Eastern European countries have been growing after all and Western Europe does not have enough workers because of its demographics anyway. My take is, that everybody is winning, there is less poverty than before, but some sideffects look ugly for a while.
hotdogscout 3y ago
>half of them make less than 22k euros a year I'd be extremely happy making this amount. Some people are just accustomed to easier lives. >while some code monkey makes 300k+/year coding memeojis at apple. Meme position for a privileged caste statistically irrespective of skill in an institution that can piss money on anything and still succeed.

diggan 3y ago

Farm work, especially work that doesn't require specialization (planting, maintaining, harvesting), is pretty much minimum wage work where I live, in Spain. Minimum wage here is ~1300 EUR / month. But it also differs wildly by region here, as some regions are really poor while others rich (relatively). Besides the farm work, there is food processing workers (cutting, cleaning, basically assembly lines), packaging, workers at warehouses, people who work at the counters of the store, and all the support roles for those positions. If you go outside and eat, you have all the restaurant personnel to take into account as well. There is a lot of low skilled labor that goes into making what we eat today. I'm not sure how you could possibly claim that none of those people are on minimum wage.

hotdogscout 3y ago
Not all of the work you cited is essential. Would society crumble without retail? Minimum wage in Spain is significantly more money than anything I've made in my life. It's a very comfortable position for the vast majority of the world. >There is a lot of low skilled labor that goes into making what we eat today. I'm not sure how you could possibly claim that none of those people are on minimum wage. People doing essential work that isn't trivially replaceable have the bargaining power to charge more than the minimum wage in a moderately free market of human work, usually they do.
- squigz 3y ago
  > Not all of the work you cited is essential. Would society crumble without retail? Did I miss the part where the other comment mentioned retail, or where you respond to the half dozen other examples of essential work? > Minimum wage in Spain is significantly more money than anything I've made in my life. It's a very comfortable position for the vast majority of the world. Instead of moving the bar some more, could you just define what minimum wage would be an acceptable bar for you in this conversation?
  - hotdogscout 3y ago
    Yes you missed retail, read it again. https://uk.indeed.com/career/warehouse-worker/salaries https://uk.indeed.com/career/warehouse-worker/salaries Do you really need me to Google every single essential position known before conceding that society is not maintained by minimum wage workers?