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I think this point is underrated, but I’d press further. How do we know this has not already happened? Agencies do not need to be born of gradient descent and c
by gcr 3y ago
I think this point is underrated, but I’d press further. How do we know this has not already happened? Agencies do not need to be born of gradient descent and certainly do not need to look like matrix multiplications to be deemed “artificially intelligent.” Religion is one such system for example, as are cults, addictions, brands, war strategies, organizing campaigns, governments, or (borrowing from chaos magick) any egregore or societal belief.
Ted Chiang has a lovely post about similar ideas, hitting a little closer to home. His thesis AIUI is that unrestrained capitalism, here meaning the unfettered desire to maximize profit for shareholders, is an artificial value system that causes its agents (corporations) to exhibit intelligent goal-seeking behavior. These systems are certainly “alive” — corporations respond to stimuli, sense their environment, “reproduce,” enact changes in response to predictions of future state, etc. Though each of these agents (corporations) are made of collective human behavior, their actions taken together can be considered a form of artificial intelligence that stretches “beyond” (in a wisdom-of-crowds sense) human understanding. In this sense, an artificial intelligence has already “escaped” and has fervent followers.
I know these are strained analogies, but it’s fun to think about. I feel that in the future, the work of solving “AGI safety” will become indistinguishable from the work of other societal problems — how do we prevent tyrants from taking over governments, and how do we make existing governments more resistant to that failure mode? How do we ensure that generating value isn’t a prerequisite for human survival? How can we more efficiently distribute our resources and reduce wealth inequality? How can we ensure that all kinds of life can thrive, not just the most optimal kinds?
If AGI reflects humanity’s best and worst impulses, and I believe it does because that’s all we train it to do, then having good societal answers to these distinctly “human” questions will also help our society resist malevolent AGI. It’s only human, after all.
- clooper 3y agoMany institutions are collective/artificial intelligence because as you said these institutions have objectives and take actions to impose their will on the world in order to achieve their goals.
- danielmarkbruce 3y ago"intelligence" is too strong a word for it. It's "a will of it's own" perhaps... but at least in my experience that will is a loooonggg way from intelligent.
- clooper 3y agoThat's true but organizations are agents and they do act to preserve "themselves" which is much more than can be said about software systems we call AI.
- gcr 3y agoI think "artificial agency" could have some legs as a descriptive term. "Agency" is about having an effect on the world. But ascribing "intelligence" to some entity speaks to something more cunning and planful than just thrashing.
- danielmarkbruce 3y agoyes. Agency is a good term. It seems like corporations have agency and sort of try to make short term profits in response to outside pressures.
- stana 3y agoTalk that introduced me to this idea of corporations as Paperclip Maximiser AI - "Dude you broke the Future" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmIgJ64z6Y4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmIgJ64z6Y4
- Animats 3y ago"Ted Chiang ... unrestrained capitalism, here meaning the unfettered desire to maximize profit for shareholders, is an artificial value system. Well, yes. I've been saying that for years, and others have been saying it since the late 1970s. It's been a regular theme in Mother Jones for decades. The comment I make now and then is that capitalism has a monopoly. Communism went bust. It's not that communism worked very well. It's that, for a while, it was a serious competitor and capitalism had to keep its product quality up to compete. Now the pressure to provide a better life for all citizens is off. It shows.