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Not great but incomparable to the above poster.

by soared 3y ago

janice1999 3y ago
A more comparable situation is H1Bs (where being able to transfer is not guaranteed) and other foreign workers whose residence status and that of their family is tied to their employer. I pity those engineers trapped at companies like Twitter/X.
- walterbell 3y ago
  Also foreign workers with limited English proficiency, serving large firms at arms length via contract agencies.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Lots of those employees have begun leaving to the home country for that reason. Working as an H1B is fine for a couple years, but if you're looking at multi-decade long backlogs for a chance at naturalization, it makes sense just to return after leveling up enough, especially because you can demand EU level salaries in most of Asia after a couple YoE in the US. Koreans, Japanese, and Taiwanese did this in the 90s and 2000s, Chinese in the 2000s and 2010s, and increasingly Indians post-pandemic. Most Indian H1Bs and F1 OPTs I know at Twitter and FAANG (from NCG to seniorish Eng and PM) have made amends with eventually returning to India in 5 years or becoming a Canadian citizen and using the TN backdoor, just like how a lot of Chinese talent began seriously considering starting their own startup back in China in the 2010s. ------------- This is actually one of the major pluses of American soft power - a lot of talent will get mis-bucketed in hierarchical systems in Asia (there are plenty of diamonds in the rough in Tier 2/3/4/5 programs) but they won't get placed at top programs. As such, those kinds of people end up emigrating abroad and do fairly well in the US, or when they return to the old country. If you treat foreign workers well, when a portion of them inevitabely return to their home country, they will have decently pro-American views. Plenty of younger Chinese who returned to the Mainalnd from the US are strongly in favor of normalized relations, and even the elite like Xi Jingping still send their kids abroad (Xi's daughter is still in Cambridge MA for example and all his blood relatives in Australia)

Not great but incomparable to the above poster.

by soared 3y ago

Not great but incomparable to the above poster.

janice1999 3y ago

A more comparable situation is H1Bs (where being able to transfer is not guaranteed) and other foreign workers whose residence status and that of their family is tied to their employer. I pity those engineers trapped at companies like Twitter/X.

walterbell 3y ago
Also foreign workers with limited English proficiency, serving large firms at arms length via contract agencies.
alephnerd 3y ago
Lots of those employees have begun leaving to the home country for that reason. Working as an H1B is fine for a couple years, but if you're looking at multi-decade long backlogs for a chance at naturalization, it makes sense just to return after leveling up enough, especially because you can demand EU level salaries in most of Asia after a couple YoE in the US. Koreans, Japanese, and Taiwanese did this in the 90s and 2000s, Chinese in the 2000s and 2010s, and increasingly Indians post-pandemic. Most Indian H1Bs and F1 OPTs I know at Twitter and FAANG (from NCG to seniorish Eng and PM) have made amends with eventually returning to India in 5 years or becoming a Canadian citizen and using the TN backdoor, just like how a lot of Chinese talent began seriously considering starting their own startup back in China in the 2010s. ------------- This is actually one of the major pluses of American soft power - a lot of talent will get mis-bucketed in hierarchical systems in Asia (there are plenty of diamonds in the rough in Tier 2/3/4/5 programs) but they won't get placed at top programs. As such, those kinds of people end up emigrating abroad and do fairly well in the US, or when they return to the old country. If you treat foreign workers well, when a portion of them inevitabely return to their home country, they will have decently pro-American views. Plenty of younger Chinese who returned to the Mainalnd from the US are strongly in favor of normalized relations, and even the elite like Xi Jingping still send their kids abroad (Xi's daughter is still in Cambridge MA for example and all his blood relatives in Australia)