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Given my airbnb rating and constant positive feedback, I'd say that my existing solution is sufficient.

MissTake 3y ago
Give it time. I'd not be surprised to read that Air BnB are going to curtail this behavior next. The only reason you're doing this is to game the system. Be honest and charge more.
- therealdrag0 3y ago
  No the logistics and economics don’t work to run an Airbnb the same as a hotel. Why would Airbnb add regulations that make their customers less profitable or financially viable?
  - MissTake 3y ago
    Er, because they can. And do. As evidenced by the recent changes. The point is, you should either charge cleaning costs and not require the customer to do anything other than leave it in a “used” state - or - not charge cleaning costs but require the customer at least does some basic cleaning. Charging and also requiring customers to clean is unethical in my book.
    - therealdrag0 3y ago
      Pardon what recent changes?
      - MissTake 3y ago
        You don’t think the subject of this story isn’t a change of their rules and regulations?
        therealdrag0 3y ago
        I don’t see how security cameras impacts the economics of running an Airbnb.
        MissTake 3y ago
        Some owners were using them to record damage or vandalism to a property. Without them that could make some properties more expensive to maintain and repair.
  - MissTake 3y ago
    Meanwhile: https://www.rentalscaleup.com/airbnb-adds-2-more-to-guest-fees-what-it-means-for-hosts-with-up-to-16-2-charges-on-international-bookings/ https://www.rentalscaleup.com/airbnb-adds-2-more-to-guest-fe... This change, affecting international bookers, will make it more expensive to rent, thus potentially affecting a hosts bottom line. This may not affect you, but it will affect others. And remember, as a host, you’re not the customer. The person booking is the customer. You? You’re just a supplier.
- klinquist 3y ago
  How am I not honest? The listing shows my cleaning fee and checkout list. Everything is transparent.
  - MissTake 3y ago
    Be honest and build the fee into your rates. Why do you not do that? What is your rationale for charging it separately?
    - klinquist 3y ago
      First, note that Airbnb shows it "built into the rates" when you put in the number of days you are staying when making a reservation. See this article from 2022: https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/7/23444561/airbnb-total-price-update-cleaning-fee-filter https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/7/23444561/airbnb-total-pri... But to answer your question - because it is a fixed cost per stay. If you stay two nights @ $250/night, you'll pay an additional $200 cleaning fee (so that would be $350 night if I were to "build cleaning in") If you stay 6 nights @ $250/night, you'll still only pay an additional $200 cleaning fee (so it would be $283/night if were to "build cleaning in"). Airbnb doesn't allow me to charge a different $ based on the number of nights stayed. But they are showing an all-inclusive cost to the user when the user is browsing with their # of days, so there is nothing hidden... and to your "give it time" statement, it's been over 5 years...
      - MissTake 3y ago
        First off: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/airbnb-has-a-plan-to-fix-cleaning-fees https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/airbnb-has-a-plan-... And secondly if you reread my post you’ll see that I think it’s morally wrong to charge a cleaning fee AND expect guests to clean as well. That’s double dipping.
        matsemann 3y ago
        My cleaning fee is for washing the bedding, mopping the floors, wash inside the oven, was inside the refrigerator, vacuum all floors, wash all floors, clean every surface, scrub the shower, scrub the toilets, clean the sink and mirror, etc etc. None of which I expect guests to do. So it's not double dipping. You've been explained why you're wrong ten times now, and still drone on about it. Maybe airbnb just isn't for you? Book a more expensive hotel instead, and then those thinking my cabin is a good deal can do so and be happy.

Give it time. I'd not be surprised to read that Air BnB are going to curtail this behavior next. The only reason you're doing this is to game the system. Be honest and charge more.

therealdrag0 3y ago
No the logistics and economics don’t work to run an Airbnb the same as a hotel. Why would Airbnb add regulations that make their customers less profitable or financially viable?
- MissTake 3y ago
  Er, because they can. And do. As evidenced by the recent changes. The point is, you should either charge cleaning costs and not require the customer to do anything other than leave it in a “used” state - or - not charge cleaning costs but require the customer at least does some basic cleaning. Charging and also requiring customers to clean is unethical in my book.
  - therealdrag0 3y ago
    Pardon what recent changes?
    - MissTake 3y ago
      You don’t think the subject of this story isn’t a change of their rules and regulations?
      - therealdrag0 3y ago
        I don’t see how security cameras impacts the economics of running an Airbnb.
        MissTake 3y ago
        Some owners were using them to record damage or vandalism to a property. Without them that could make some properties more expensive to maintain and repair.
- MissTake 3y ago
  Meanwhile: https://www.rentalscaleup.com/airbnb-adds-2-more-to-guest-fees-what-it-means-for-hosts-with-up-to-16-2-charges-on-international-bookings/ https://www.rentalscaleup.com/airbnb-adds-2-more-to-guest-fe... This change, affecting international bookers, will make it more expensive to rent, thus potentially affecting a hosts bottom line. This may not affect you, but it will affect others. And remember, as a host, you’re not the customer. The person booking is the customer. You? You’re just a supplier.
klinquist 3y ago
How am I not honest? The listing shows my cleaning fee and checkout list. Everything is transparent.
- MissTake 3y ago
  Be honest and build the fee into your rates. Why do you not do that? What is your rationale for charging it separately?
  - klinquist 3y ago
    First, note that Airbnb shows it "built into the rates" when you put in the number of days you are staying when making a reservation. See this article from 2022: https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/7/23444561/airbnb-total-price-update-cleaning-fee-filter https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/7/23444561/airbnb-total-pri... But to answer your question - because it is a fixed cost per stay. If you stay two nights @ $250/night, you'll pay an additional $200 cleaning fee (so that would be $350 night if I were to "build cleaning in") If you stay 6 nights @ $250/night, you'll still only pay an additional $200 cleaning fee (so it would be $283/night if were to "build cleaning in"). Airbnb doesn't allow me to charge a different $ based on the number of nights stayed. But they are showing an all-inclusive cost to the user when the user is browsing with their # of days, so there is nothing hidden... and to your "give it time" statement, it's been over 5 years...
    - MissTake 3y ago
      First off: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/airbnb-has-a-plan-to-fix-cleaning-fees https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/airbnb-has-a-plan-... And secondly if you reread my post you’ll see that I think it’s morally wrong to charge a cleaning fee AND expect guests to clean as well. That’s double dipping.
      - matsemann 3y ago
        My cleaning fee is for washing the bedding, mopping the floors, wash inside the oven, was inside the refrigerator, vacuum all floors, wash all floors, clean every surface, scrub the shower, scrub the toilets, clean the sink and mirror, etc etc. None of which I expect guests to do. So it's not double dipping. You've been explained why you're wrong ten times now, and still drone on about it. Maybe airbnb just isn't for you? Book a more expensive hotel instead, and then those thinking my cabin is a good deal can do so and be happy.