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PDD's strategy here is to get entry level workers in the door and have then sign a non-compete which would make it impossible for that person to survive if they

PDD's strategy here is to get entry level workers in the door and have then sign a non-compete which would make it impossible for that person to survive if they left the company, once they are stuck there they work them to the bone with 996. Needless to say this is so so fucked up but it's China so go figure.

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alephnerd 3y ago
Sadly, it's a fairly common practice all over Asia, and a major reason decent talent will attempt to move to opportunities abroad.
walterbell 3y ago
Techniques to constrain labor mobility are ever evolving. https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/apple-google-others-... Apple, Google, Intel, and Adobe will shell out $415 million to put to rest an antipoaching civil lawsuit that accused the companies of conspiring not to hire each other's employees. ..Email exchanges among such top executives as late Apple co-founder and CEO Steve Jobs and former Google CEO and now executive chairman of Alphabet Eric Schmidt revealed how requests were made not to hire certain employees away from each other. One email exchange recounted how Jobs asked Schmidt to stop Google from trying to hire one of Apple's engineers. "I would be very pleased if your recruiting department would stop doing this," Jobs wrote to Schmidt on March 7, 2007. Schmidt then sent the request on, saying "I believe we have a policy of no recruiting from Apple and this is a direct inbound request. Can you get this stopped and let me know why this is happening? I will need to send a response back to Apple quickly so please let me know as soon as you can." https://www.financialadvisoriq.com/c/2042553/239943/morgan_stanley_appeal_garden_leave_lawsuit_loss https://www.financialadvisoriq.com/c/2042553/239943/morgan_s... ..defecting FAs must choose a strategic and nuanced path — or otherwise face liabilities, Ichter warns. During their "garden leaves," he says, "they can only talk to the clients about the same thing they were talking about while they were employees of their old company. They cannot attempt to move the clients [or] solicit the clients" or they will risk triggering claims that they failed their duties of loyalty to their employe.. [but] ..retaining clients these days is not as hard as sometimes portrayed, since clients' personal loyalties frequently surpass their institutional ones
- soared 3y ago
  Not great but incomparable to the above poster.
  - janice1999 3y ago
    A more comparable situation is H1Bs (where being able to transfer is not guaranteed) and other foreign workers whose residence status and that of their family is tied to their employer. I pity those engineers trapped at companies like Twitter/X.
    - walterbell 3y ago
      Also foreign workers with limited English proficiency, serving large firms at arms length via contract agencies.
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      Lots of those employees have begun leaving to the home country for that reason. Working as an H1B is fine for a couple years, but if you're looking at multi-decade long backlogs for a chance at naturalization, it makes sense just to return after leveling up enough, especially because you can demand EU level salaries in most of Asia after a couple YoE in the US. Koreans, Japanese, and Taiwanese did this in the 90s and 2000s, Chinese in the 2000s and 2010s, and increasingly Indians post-pandemic. Most Indian H1Bs and F1 OPTs I know at Twitter and FAANG (from NCG to seniorish Eng and PM) have made amends with eventually returning to India in 5 years or becoming a Canadian citizen and using the TN backdoor, just like how a lot of Chinese talent began seriously considering starting their own startup back in China in the 2010s. ------------- This is actually one of the major pluses of American soft power - a lot of talent will get mis-bucketed in hierarchical systems in Asia (there are plenty of diamonds in the rough in Tier 2/3/4/5 programs) but they won't get placed at top programs. As such, those kinds of people end up emigrating abroad and do fairly well in the US, or when they return to the old country. If you treat foreign workers well, when a portion of them inevitabely return to their home country, they will have decently pro-American views. Plenty of younger Chinese who returned to the Mainalnd from the US are strongly in favor of normalized relations, and even the elite like Xi Jingping still send their kids abroad (Xi's daughter is still in Cambridge MA for example and all his blood relatives in Australia)

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alephnerd 3y ago

Sadly, it's a fairly common practice all over Asia, and a major reason decent talent will attempt to move to opportunities abroad.

walterbell 3y ago

Techniques to constrain labor mobility are ever evolving. https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/apple-google-others-... Apple, Google, Intel, and Adobe will shell out $415 million to put to rest an antipoaching civil lawsuit that accused the companies of conspiring not to hire each other's employees. ..Email exchanges among such top executives as late Apple co-founder and CEO Steve Jobs and former Google CEO and now executive chairman of Alphabet Eric Schmidt revealed how requests were made not to hire certain employees away from each other. One email exchange recounted how Jobs asked Schmidt to stop Google from trying to hire one of Apple's engineers. "I would be very pleased if your recruiting department would stop doing this," Jobs wrote to Schmidt on March 7, 2007. Schmidt then sent the request on, saying "I believe we have a policy of no recruiting from Apple and this is a direct inbound request. Can you get this stopped and let me know why this is happening? I will need to send a response back to Apple quickly so please let me know as soon as you can." https://www.financialadvisoriq.com/c/2042553/239943/morgan_stanley_appeal_garden_leave_lawsuit_loss https://www.financialadvisoriq.com/c/2042553/239943/morgan_s... ..defecting FAs must choose a strategic and nuanced path — or otherwise face liabilities, Ichter warns. During their "garden leaves," he says, "they can only talk to the clients about the same thing they were talking about while they were employees of their old company. They cannot attempt to move the clients [or] solicit the clients" or they will risk triggering claims that they failed their duties of loyalty to their employe.. [but] ..retaining clients these days is not as hard as sometimes portrayed, since clients' personal loyalties frequently surpass their institutional ones

soared 3y ago
Not great but incomparable to the above poster.
- janice1999 3y ago
  A more comparable situation is H1Bs (where being able to transfer is not guaranteed) and other foreign workers whose residence status and that of their family is tied to their employer. I pity those engineers trapped at companies like Twitter/X.
  - walterbell 3y ago
    Also foreign workers with limited English proficiency, serving large firms at arms length via contract agencies.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Lots of those employees have begun leaving to the home country for that reason. Working as an H1B is fine for a couple years, but if you're looking at multi-decade long backlogs for a chance at naturalization, it makes sense just to return after leveling up enough, especially because you can demand EU level salaries in most of Asia after a couple YoE in the US. Koreans, Japanese, and Taiwanese did this in the 90s and 2000s, Chinese in the 2000s and 2010s, and increasingly Indians post-pandemic. Most Indian H1Bs and F1 OPTs I know at Twitter and FAANG (from NCG to seniorish Eng and PM) have made amends with eventually returning to India in 5 years or becoming a Canadian citizen and using the TN backdoor, just like how a lot of Chinese talent began seriously considering starting their own startup back in China in the 2010s. ------------- This is actually one of the major pluses of American soft power - a lot of talent will get mis-bucketed in hierarchical systems in Asia (there are plenty of diamonds in the rough in Tier 2/3/4/5 programs) but they won't get placed at top programs. As such, those kinds of people end up emigrating abroad and do fairly well in the US, or when they return to the old country. If you treat foreign workers well, when a portion of them inevitabely return to their home country, they will have decently pro-American views. Plenty of younger Chinese who returned to the Mainalnd from the US are strongly in favor of normalized relations, and even the elite like Xi Jingping still send their kids abroad (Xi's daughter is still in Cambridge MA for example and all his blood relatives in Australia)