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If only something like GrapheneOS was possible on iPhone. Love the system on my Pixel but not a fan of the Android UI and functionality.

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DEADMINCE 3y ago
The Android UI allows complete customization, you can even make it like iPhone if you want.
- meindnoch 3y ago
  This is satire, right?
  - SushiHippie 3y ago
    https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/19/copycat-ios-launcher-android-50-million-downloads/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/19/copycat-ios-launcher-an...
- chasil 3y ago
  If you have something like Xposed available, then this is possible. Looking at what GravityBox was able to do, nothing in that can be done in a stock ROM without getting root.
loeg 3y ago
On iPhone, it's called iOS. https://security.apple.com/blog/towards-the-next-generation-of-xnu-memory-safety/ https://security.apple.com/blog/towards-the-next-generation-...
- deleted 3y ago
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- moose44 3y ago
  This is also satire, right?
  - kaba0 3y ago
    I’m not the parent commenter, but not really. Daniel Micay himself said that iphones are one of the best choices from a security perspective, GrapheneOS closing the gap. The reason is the close working together of hardware and software, which is very seldom done in case of Android devices - pixels being the sole exception that care about it, that’s why they are the only supported device. Not much point in buying some fancy lock to your door, if there is a window open next to it. Also, ios has a very locked down secure mode for the ultra paranoid.
    - moose44 3y ago
      The problem with the iOS ecosystem is that it's not safe from manufacturer spying? This is the much larger issue than 3rd parties. Does lockdown mode prevent this?
      - strcat 3y ago
        Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39672701 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39672701. My actual position is that current Pixels with the stock OS and iOS have comparable security. iOS has overall better privacy including privacy from apps. It's not strictly more private and Pixels with stock OS do have areas where they do better. AOSP on a Pixel doesn't have the heavily integrated Google apps and services which gives it more advantages than the stock OS usually has compared to iOS, so it's hard to say which has better privacy. A major focus for GrapheneOS is addressing the biggest privacy weaknesses such as providing Contact Scopes, Storage Scopes and a per-app Sensors toggle which not only close the gap with iOS in those 3 areas but go significantly beyond what it provides. There are still a few areas where iOS does better on privacy, but GrapheneOS definitely does better overall. Security is a clearer picture where it's clearer more secure overall and there aren't a lot of areas where it's worse since the Pixel stock OS / AOSP starting point has very strong security. Suggest that people look through https://grapheneos.org/features https://grapheneos.org/features which explains what we provide compared to standard Android 14 QPR2, although it's missing a lot of minor features and some recent major features. GrapheneOS gets to focus on the weak points in Android and can make a bigger performance and memory usage sacrifice to achieve privacy and security. We can also add more user-facing features and toggles than either Apple or Google is willing to provide. This allows us to do many things they can't do. We care a lot about preserving app compatibility but we're willing to have opt-in features which break some apps, and we're willing to break apps with severe memory corruption bugs by default with an opt-out toggle to get them working. GrapheneOS aims to be nearly as easy to use as the stock Pixel OS once we do more work on the out-of-the-box experience and bundled apps, but we're willing to have more complex privacy and security options available for people who can deal with it. We see the starting point of AOSP as an already very good base relative to other modern operating systems.
- strcat 3y ago
  Pixels with the stock OS have comparable security to iPhones already. This thread is also about MTE which doesn't exist in Apple's hardware yet. The whole point of GrapheneOS is providing far better privacy and security than that baseline with features like hardened_malloc, Contact Scopes, hardware level USB-C port control, etc.
  - saagarjha 3y ago
    Apple hardware ships with MTE; it’s just not enabled.

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DEADMINCE 3y ago

The Android UI allows complete customization, you can even make it like iPhone if you want.

meindnoch 3y ago
This is satire, right?
- SushiHippie 3y ago
  https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/19/copycat-ios-launcher-android-50-million-downloads/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/19/copycat-ios-launcher-an...
chasil 3y ago
If you have something like Xposed available, then this is possible. Looking at what GravityBox was able to do, nothing in that can be done in a stock ROM without getting root.

loeg 3y ago

On iPhone, it's called iOS. https://security.apple.com/blog/towards-the-next-generation-of-xnu-memory-safety/ https://security.apple.com/blog/towards-the-next-generation-...

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moose44 3y ago
This is also satire, right?
- kaba0 3y ago
  I’m not the parent commenter, but not really. Daniel Micay himself said that iphones are one of the best choices from a security perspective, GrapheneOS closing the gap. The reason is the close working together of hardware and software, which is very seldom done in case of Android devices - pixels being the sole exception that care about it, that’s why they are the only supported device. Not much point in buying some fancy lock to your door, if there is a window open next to it. Also, ios has a very locked down secure mode for the ultra paranoid.
  - moose44 3y ago
    The problem with the iOS ecosystem is that it's not safe from manufacturer spying? This is the much larger issue than 3rd parties. Does lockdown mode prevent this?
    - strcat 3y ago
      Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39672701 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39672701. My actual position is that current Pixels with the stock OS and iOS have comparable security. iOS has overall better privacy including privacy from apps. It's not strictly more private and Pixels with stock OS do have areas where they do better. AOSP on a Pixel doesn't have the heavily integrated Google apps and services which gives it more advantages than the stock OS usually has compared to iOS, so it's hard to say which has better privacy. A major focus for GrapheneOS is addressing the biggest privacy weaknesses such as providing Contact Scopes, Storage Scopes and a per-app Sensors toggle which not only close the gap with iOS in those 3 areas but go significantly beyond what it provides. There are still a few areas where iOS does better on privacy, but GrapheneOS definitely does better overall. Security is a clearer picture where it's clearer more secure overall and there aren't a lot of areas where it's worse since the Pixel stock OS / AOSP starting point has very strong security. Suggest that people look through https://grapheneos.org/features https://grapheneos.org/features which explains what we provide compared to standard Android 14 QPR2, although it's missing a lot of minor features and some recent major features. GrapheneOS gets to focus on the weak points in Android and can make a bigger performance and memory usage sacrifice to achieve privacy and security. We can also add more user-facing features and toggles than either Apple or Google is willing to provide. This allows us to do many things they can't do. We care a lot about preserving app compatibility but we're willing to have opt-in features which break some apps, and we're willing to break apps with severe memory corruption bugs by default with an opt-out toggle to get them working. GrapheneOS aims to be nearly as easy to use as the stock Pixel OS once we do more work on the out-of-the-box experience and bundled apps, but we're willing to have more complex privacy and security options available for people who can deal with it. We see the starting point of AOSP as an already very good base relative to other modern operating systems.
strcat 3y ago
Pixels with the stock OS have comparable security to iPhones already. This thread is also about MTE which doesn't exist in Apple's hardware yet. The whole point of GrapheneOS is providing far better privacy and security than that baseline with features like hardened_malloc, Contact Scopes, hardware level USB-C port control, etc.
- saagarjha 3y ago
  Apple hardware ships with MTE; it’s just not enabled.