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Zero mention of everyone switching to the Tesla connector. Seems like a huge part of the story that was totally left out.

cogman10 3y ago
It hasn't quiet happened yet. Everyone has announced the switch but AFAIK there's not anyone that's produced a NACS vehicle other than Tesla and a few smaller outfits. You'll probably see some NACS at the end of this year. However, don't expect it everywhere until either next year or maybe even 2 more years. It's not TOO big of an issue as NACS speaks CCS so even old models just need an adapter to start playing.
- coldpie 3y ago
  Yeah it's going to be a rough year for EV sales because of the switch. I'm definitely not buying one that needs an adapter if I can just wait a year and not need it. Luckily the EV I'm looking to buy (either Hyundai Ioniq 5 or Kia EV6, they're basically the same thing) seems to be on the relatively early side of the switch.
  - cogman10 3y ago
    Yup, that's what I generally advise some of my family members that have asked about switching to an EV. On the flip side, there might be some good deals to get as CCS phases out. But it's just not a great time to buy one (Unless you are thinking of buying a tesla).
  - vel0city 3y ago
    I imagine there's still going to be many, many thousands of L2 chargers with J1772 for several years. And there will probably still be CCS chargers out there as well. So, if you're going to want to truly charge anywhere, you'll need some basic adapter probably for many years to come. Tesla people charging at a lot of L2 chargers today use an adapter. I requested the CCS adapter for my car but honestly, I might only use it once or twice a year if even that. I really doubt there will be much actual pain with this migration.
BandButcher 3y ago
Are you saying that because tesla connectors make for higher availability/usage?
_ea1k 3y ago
I don't think it is particularly relevant to the article at the moment. Outside of Tesla, very few DCFC stations support NACS at the moment. L2 has never been an issue, since adapters are so common. The biggest shift is just ongoing sales. EVs represent ~1% of cars on the road, but ~9% of sales. Even if there were no sales growth, charging demand would increase by ~9x over the next 5-10 years.
mavhc 3y ago
Also Tesla making/installer/running their chargers for about 25% the cost of their competitors, all while being 100x more reliable

cogman10 3y ago

It hasn't quiet happened yet. Everyone has announced the switch but AFAIK there's not anyone that's produced a NACS vehicle other than Tesla and a few smaller outfits. You'll probably see some NACS at the end of this year. However, don't expect it everywhere until either next year or maybe even 2 more years. It's not TOO big of an issue as NACS speaks CCS so even old models just need an adapter to start playing.

coldpie 3y ago
Yeah it's going to be a rough year for EV sales because of the switch. I'm definitely not buying one that needs an adapter if I can just wait a year and not need it. Luckily the EV I'm looking to buy (either Hyundai Ioniq 5 or Kia EV6, they're basically the same thing) seems to be on the relatively early side of the switch.
- cogman10 3y ago
  Yup, that's what I generally advise some of my family members that have asked about switching to an EV. On the flip side, there might be some good deals to get as CCS phases out. But it's just not a great time to buy one (Unless you are thinking of buying a tesla).
- vel0city 3y ago
  I imagine there's still going to be many, many thousands of L2 chargers with J1772 for several years. And there will probably still be CCS chargers out there as well. So, if you're going to want to truly charge anywhere, you'll need some basic adapter probably for many years to come. Tesla people charging at a lot of L2 chargers today use an adapter. I requested the CCS adapter for my car but honestly, I might only use it once or twice a year if even that. I really doubt there will be much actual pain with this migration.

BandButcher 3y ago

Are you saying that because tesla connectors make for higher availability/usage?

_ea1k 3y ago

I don't think it is particularly relevant to the article at the moment. Outside of Tesla, very few DCFC stations support NACS at the moment. L2 has never been an issue, since adapters are so common. The biggest shift is just ongoing sales. EVs represent ~1% of cars on the road, but ~9% of sales. Even if there were no sales growth, charging demand would increase by ~9x over the next 5-10 years.

mavhc 3y ago

Also Tesla making/installer/running their chargers for about 25% the cost of their competitors, all while being 100x more reliable