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> My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why? You are comparing two completely different things as if they are related. Is there something about com

by chabes 3y ago

> My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why? You are comparing two completely different things as if they are related. Is there something about computers and AI that men have a knack for? As usual, we have men outraged about a more even playing field.

mc32 3y ago
But you seem to be arguing for a less even playing field, no? Even means playing no favorites and only going by who might be best suited for the job. If there is someone better suited for the job and, in this case, she, who is she? Maybe another AI aspirant can hire her.
- chabes 3y ago
  Don’t need to feign ignorance here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_workforce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_workforce
  - mc32 3y ago
    What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? If NYC and SF are having crime issues it does not mean Greenwich, Connecticut should ramp up its police force to make up for NYCs and SFs deficiencies.
noahwhygodwhy 3y ago
Are you suggesting men aren't qualified to take care of children?
stormfather 3y ago
"Results showed that the male infants showed a stronger interest in the physical-mechanical mobile while the female infants showed a stronger interest in the face. The results of this research clearly demonstrate that sex differences are in part biological in origin." - Sex differences in human neonatal social perception, Connellan Et. Al. Boys are more interested in things, girls are more interested in people. Men preferentially grow up to work with things, women preferentially grow up to work with people. It's not about skill, its about what they instinctually find interesting.
- beej71 3y ago
  As these are management jobs referred to in TFA, it seems then women would be more qualified, yes?
  - stormfather 3y ago
    What is TFA? And my answer depends. I think that its hard to be an effective engineering manager without first working hard at being an engineer and learning all about it. I think a prerequisite for that is someone who is naturally passionate about engineering. But then on top of that interpersonal skills are important. So you could say that on average men and women both have their respective advantageous biases for engineering management, but the pool from which they're drawn skews heavily male because not too many women go into engineering in the first place.
Terretta 3y ago
The field can be perfectly even. If you have 15 guys and 5 girls enter the field, you'll find more men attain the goal. So: “Solve the problem at the left.”† This means for most leverage, meaning best results with least cost and least waste, intervene in a system at the earliest stage that can make a difference. † The metaphor is assuming production lines flow left to right. RTL cultures can say "solve the problem at the right" which has the advantage of both metaphor and pun!

by chabes 3y ago

mc32 3y ago

But you seem to be arguing for a less even playing field, no? Even means playing no favorites and only going by who might be best suited for the job. If there is someone better suited for the job and, in this case, she, who is she? Maybe another AI aspirant can hire her.

chabes 3y ago
Don’t need to feign ignorance here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_workforce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_workforce
- mc32 3y ago
  What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? If NYC and SF are having crime issues it does not mean Greenwich, Connecticut should ramp up its police force to make up for NYCs and SFs deficiencies.

noahwhygodwhy 3y ago

Are you suggesting men aren't qualified to take care of children?

stormfather 3y ago

"Results showed that the male infants showed a stronger interest in the physical-mechanical mobile while the female infants showed a stronger interest in the face. The results of this research clearly demonstrate that sex differences are in part biological in origin." - Sex differences in human neonatal social perception, Connellan Et. Al. Boys are more interested in things, girls are more interested in people. Men preferentially grow up to work with things, women preferentially grow up to work with people. It's not about skill, its about what they instinctually find interesting.

beej71 3y ago
As these are management jobs referred to in TFA, it seems then women would be more qualified, yes?
- stormfather 3y ago
  What is TFA? And my answer depends. I think that its hard to be an effective engineering manager without first working hard at being an engineer and learning all about it. I think a prerequisite for that is someone who is naturally passionate about engineering. But then on top of that interpersonal skills are important. So you could say that on average men and women both have their respective advantageous biases for engineering management, but the pool from which they're drawn skews heavily male because not too many women go into engineering in the first place.

Terretta 3y ago

The field can be perfectly even. If you have 15 guys and 5 girls enter the field, you'll find more men attain the goal. So: “Solve the problem at the left.”† This means for most leverage, meaning best results with least cost and least waste, intervene in a system at the earliest stage that can make a difference. † The metaphor is assuming production lines flow left to right. RTL cultures can say "solve the problem at the right" which has the advantage of both metaphor and pun!