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Microsoft really doesn’t have much competition in the collaborative unified office suite experience. Closest competitor would be Google, as if it’s any better.

by junto 3y ago

Microsoft really doesn’t have much competition in the collaborative unified office suite experience. Closest competitor would be Google, as if it’s any better. Fine grained permissions control and tight integrations into applications such as Outlook and Teams make the D365 experience easy and attractive for organizations to use. Microsoft does provide the tools to keep data storage compliant with EU data rules. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/privacy/eudb/eu-data-boundary-learn https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/privacy/eudb/eu-data-bound...

sam_lowry_ 3y ago
> Microsoft does provide the tools to keep data storage compliant with EU data rules. This is exactly what the press release above disproves.
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cesarb 3y ago
> Microsoft does provide the tools to keep data storage compliant with EU data rules. It doesn't matter; the CLOUD Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act) means that, even if Microsoft (or any other USA company) takes every care to keep data storage compliant with EU data rules, that data can still be transferred to the USA. The only way around it is to have a completely independent non-USA company hold the EU data; I've heard that Microsoft used that trick in the past, but they stopped doing it for some reason.
- miohtama 3y ago
  Cost. Here is the translated announcement https://hackernoon.com/microsoft-announces-the-end-of-the-germany-cloud-431bbe407b94 https://hackernoon.com/microsoft-announces-the-end-of-the-ge...
prmoustache 3y ago
> Microsoft really doesn’t have much competition in the collaborative unified office suite experience. I keep reading that, and I somewhat agree, yet I keep seeing a majority of people still exchanging docx files on email or even teams( by uploading new documents each time!) instead of using the collaborative features of office 365.
- e_i_pi_2 3y ago
  This is a big pet peeve of mine, I can't think of a reason to ever send a docx or similar over email - if it's not done yet then it should be somewhere we can both access it so we don't end up with different versions, and if it is done then PDFs are easier to work with. I think it's habit more than anything - if you've been using Word for 20 years and there wasn't a better option than email you're likely to continue that instead of taking time to learn a new workflow Uploading word documents to Teams like that is extra ironic because Teams uses SharePoint to store attachments, so you're taking more steps to do the same thing and end up with less functionality

by junto 3y ago

sam_lowry_ 3y ago

> Microsoft does provide the tools to keep data storage compliant with EU data rules. This is exactly what the press release above disproves.

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cesarb 3y ago

> Microsoft does provide the tools to keep data storage compliant with EU data rules. It doesn't matter; the CLOUD Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act) means that, even if Microsoft (or any other USA company) takes every care to keep data storage compliant with EU data rules, that data can still be transferred to the USA. The only way around it is to have a completely independent non-USA company hold the EU data; I've heard that Microsoft used that trick in the past, but they stopped doing it for some reason.

miohtama 3y ago
Cost. Here is the translated announcement https://hackernoon.com/microsoft-announces-the-end-of-the-germany-cloud-431bbe407b94 https://hackernoon.com/microsoft-announces-the-end-of-the-ge...

prmoustache 3y ago

> Microsoft really doesn’t have much competition in the collaborative unified office suite experience. I keep reading that, and I somewhat agree, yet I keep seeing a majority of people still exchanging docx files on email or even teams( by uploading new documents each time!) instead of using the collaborative features of office 365.

e_i_pi_2 3y ago
This is a big pet peeve of mine, I can't think of a reason to ever send a docx or similar over email - if it's not done yet then it should be somewhere we can both access it so we don't end up with different versions, and if it is done then PDFs are easier to work with. I think it's habit more than anything - if you've been using Word for 20 years and there wasn't a better option than email you're likely to continue that instead of taking time to learn a new workflow Uploading word documents to Teams like that is extra ironic because Teams uses SharePoint to store attachments, so you're taking more steps to do the same thing and end up with less functionality