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At that humidity level you can't cool by sweating. We've had days like that in southern Sweden, near the coast with very high humidity. I'm starting to go cra

At that humidity level you can't cool by sweating. We've had days like that in southern Sweden, near the coast with very high humidity. I'm starting to go crazy over us not having ACs, and windows that are really hard to get working well with a portable ac. Retirement homes celebrate getting ice cream machines, but still lack AC and the deaths during summer are significantly higher =/

renegade-otter 3y ago
Europe in general needs to get with the program. The States have AC'd everything - busses, elevators, train stations, etc. Ice coffee in Europe is not a thing! Ask for it and you will be looked at funny. And even the "cold" drinks from the fridge in a store are just below room temperature. I don't get it.
- adonovan 3y ago
  There are historical reasons for it, including the (at least historically) milder climate, and much higher cost of energy. In many older buildings there are also space and architectural constraints. I expect these objections will fall away in future years as summer heat gets more intense. Those who can afford A/C will install what is often seen as a conspicuous luxury and energy-wasting convenience, and those who can't will envy rather than despise them, as the culture continues its shift towards individualism. https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2022/08/europe-france-germany-air-conditioning-heat-wave-climate/ https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2022/08/europe-franc...
- moi2388 3y ago
  What are you talking about? Literally every gas station sells chilled iced coffee. Just like all coffee shops and most supermarkets. And under EU law fresh food fridges must target 4C and not exceed 8C, only food pantries are allowed go to 18 degrees. I agree with the ACs, but then again in houses it usually wasn’t necessary until now. Most public spaces do have AC, and public transportation with AC are also quite common, at least in the developed parts of the EU
- brabel 3y ago
  > Ice coffee in Europe is not a thing! What?! How long haven't you been here?? I can't remember not having wide varieties of iced coffee, frapuccinos etc. in basically any cafe I've been to in at least 10 years... Europe is not a single place though, so perhaps you mean a certain part of Europe (I am familiar with France, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Austria, Poland, Belarus and a few more surrounding these countries)!?
  - renegade-otter 3y ago
    I ordered an ice coffee in Lviv and I was told - "this is not a thing". Lviv has hardcore coffee culture, too. After that I did not dare order it in other countries. So, are we talking a nice pint of ICED coffee, with ice cubes jiggling in it?
    - Hikikomori 3y ago
      So an anecdote from one coffee shop in one city that doesn't get that hot and you apply that to all of Europe
    - caskstrength 3y ago
      First of all bunch of countries in Europe straight up have Starbucks where Americans can order their usual "americano", "sugar with caffeine" and "sugar with caffeine on ice" drinks that you call coffee. Second of all you definitely can get iced coffee in Ukraine (including Lviv), I guess the place you went to just didn't serve it.
- jajko 3y ago
  Why do you say things which are simply untrue? Doesn't sound like you ever visited here.
- Propelloni 3y ago
  Maybe, if we wouldn't have AC'd everything we wouldn't be in this pickle. Cooling costs energy and it's not like the USA is generally a hot country. Just a thought.

renegade-otter 3y ago

Europe in general needs to get with the program. The States have AC'd everything - busses, elevators, train stations, etc. Ice coffee in Europe is not a thing! Ask for it and you will be looked at funny. And even the "cold" drinks from the fridge in a store are just below room temperature. I don't get it.

adonovan 3y ago
There are historical reasons for it, including the (at least historically) milder climate, and much higher cost of energy. In many older buildings there are also space and architectural constraints. I expect these objections will fall away in future years as summer heat gets more intense. Those who can afford A/C will install what is often seen as a conspicuous luxury and energy-wasting convenience, and those who can't will envy rather than despise them, as the culture continues its shift towards individualism. https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2022/08/europe-france-germany-air-conditioning-heat-wave-climate/ https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2022/08/europe-franc...
moi2388 3y ago
What are you talking about? Literally every gas station sells chilled iced coffee. Just like all coffee shops and most supermarkets. And under EU law fresh food fridges must target 4C and not exceed 8C, only food pantries are allowed go to 18 degrees. I agree with the ACs, but then again in houses it usually wasn’t necessary until now. Most public spaces do have AC, and public transportation with AC are also quite common, at least in the developed parts of the EU
brabel 3y ago
> Ice coffee in Europe is not a thing! What?! How long haven't you been here?? I can't remember not having wide varieties of iced coffee, frapuccinos etc. in basically any cafe I've been to in at least 10 years... Europe is not a single place though, so perhaps you mean a certain part of Europe (I am familiar with France, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Austria, Poland, Belarus and a few more surrounding these countries)!?
- renegade-otter 3y ago
  I ordered an ice coffee in Lviv and I was told - "this is not a thing". Lviv has hardcore coffee culture, too. After that I did not dare order it in other countries. So, are we talking a nice pint of ICED coffee, with ice cubes jiggling in it?
  - Hikikomori 3y ago
    So an anecdote from one coffee shop in one city that doesn't get that hot and you apply that to all of Europe
  - caskstrength 3y ago
    First of all bunch of countries in Europe straight up have Starbucks where Americans can order their usual "americano", "sugar with caffeine" and "sugar with caffeine on ice" drinks that you call coffee. Second of all you definitely can get iced coffee in Ukraine (including Lviv), I guess the place you went to just didn't serve it.
jajko 3y ago
Why do you say things which are simply untrue? Doesn't sound like you ever visited here.
Propelloni 3y ago
Maybe, if we wouldn't have AC'd everything we wouldn't be in this pickle. Cooling costs energy and it's not like the USA is generally a hot country. Just a thought.