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Latam is Chilean. I am not as well traveled in all SA countries but the exposure I have had suggested that seatbelts in cars are fairly optional still, I suspec

Latam is Chilean. I am not as well traveled in all SA countries but the exposure I have had suggested that seatbelts in cars are fairly optional still, I suspect on a plane you have less incentive.

ztetranz 3y ago
They're optional for adults in cars here in New Hampshire where the official state motto is "Live free or die".
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  NH doesn't get enough credit for how weird it is. Between the state motto, the lack of sales or income tax, and stuff like this seatbelt rule it's like we're talking about a totally different country.
  - ztetranz 3y ago
    The other thing about cars in NH is that insurance is optional. I'm not sure what happens if someone legally driving in NH without liability insurance drives over the border into a neighboring state. I asked a lawyer friend once and he mumbled something about interstate commerce making it legal. I'm not how that debate would go when stopped by a cop in MA and asked to show proof of insurance.
    - bloomingeek 3y ago
      In my state, the arm pit of America, OKLA, auto insurance is mandatory. However, a certain amount of my fellow citizens treat it as optional.
    - rsynnott 3y ago
      > I'm not sure what happens if someone legally driving in NH without liability insurance ... Wait, you don't need _liability insurance_?!
      - tyingq 3y ago
        "New Hampshire motor vehicle laws do not require you to carry auto insurance, but you must be able to demonstrate that you are able to provide sufficient funds to meet New Hampshire motor vehicle financial responsibility requirements in the event of an at-fault accident." https://www.nh.gov/insurance/consumers/documents/nh_auto_guide.pdf https://www.nh.gov/insurance/consumers/documents/nh_auto_gui...
  - notpeter 3y ago
    I also like their Automated License Plate Reader (ALPR) record retention period (3 minutes): > Records of number plates read by each LPR shall not be recorded or transmitted anywhere and shall be purged from the system within 3 minutes of their capture in such a manner that they are destroyed and are not recoverable, unless an alarm resulted in an arrest, a citation, or protective custody, or identified a vehicle that was the subject of a missing person or wanted broadcast [...] https://law.justia.com/codes/new-hampshire/2022/title-xxi/title-261/section-261-75-b/ https://law.justia.com/codes/new-hampshire/2022/title-xxi/ti...
    - pc86 3y ago
      This seems absolutely reasonable. Keep the data about people who have committed or you can reasonably suspect might be committing a crime, get rid of the identifiable information for law-abiding citizens and maybe keep the aggregated metadata. This should be the standard IMO.
  - tyingq 3y ago
    It's also often incorrectly thought of as heavily democrat or liberal, perhaps due to association with neighbors like Massachusetts and Vermont. It's somewhat true, but the balance is much closer to 50/50 than those neighbors. And the largest newspaper is very Republican centric.
    - ztetranz 3y ago
      If it wasn't for our former governor John Sununu, (father of the current one), the US response to climate change might have been quite different.
- stpe 3y ago
  Should it not be ”Live free and die” then?
- rsynnott 3y ago
  Or, y'know, both, in this case. (Huh; I had no idea there was anywhere left in the developed world where they weren't mandatory.)
alamortsubite 3y ago
In BsAs it's common to hop in a cab and find, as a courtesy, that they've tucked the safety belts in-between the seat cushions so you have a comfortable ride.
- MandieD 3y ago
  Yeah, we tried (and failed) to dig out the buried cab seatbelts in Lima and Cusco.
Staple_Diet 3y ago
While there was most definitely South Americans on that journey, having made that flight myself I can honestly say it would have been well over 50% Aussies on their way to NZ, Santiago, Buenos Aires etc.
- infecto 3y ago
  Certainly but I am not suggesting its entirely on the passengers but the culture of safety in a given region. In the US you have a before flight belt check and sometimes mentions during flight. In a lot of other countries I notice that flights are not as concerned about those belt checks.
XzAeRosho 3y ago
I'm from Chile and seatbelt culture is very strong and policed. Most people in the backseats are very used to use their seatbelts, even more so in the front. Intercity buses also have mandatory seatbelts.
- diego_sandoval 3y ago
  I'm also from Chile, I travel intercity pretty often, and most times, I'm the only person on the bus that I see wearing a seatbelt. It's technically mandatory, but I've traveled like 12 times in the last year, and only twice the assistant has done his nag-round checking that passengers are wearing their seatbelts.

Latam is Chilean. I am not as well traveled in all SA countries but the exposure I have had suggested that seatbelts in cars are fairly optional still, I suspect on a plane you have less incentive.

ztetranz 3y ago

They're optional for adults in cars here in New Hampshire where the official state motto is "Live free or die".

AlexandrB 3y ago
NH doesn't get enough credit for how weird it is. Between the state motto, the lack of sales or income tax, and stuff like this seatbelt rule it's like we're talking about a totally different country.
- ztetranz 3y ago
  The other thing about cars in NH is that insurance is optional. I'm not sure what happens if someone legally driving in NH without liability insurance drives over the border into a neighboring state. I asked a lawyer friend once and he mumbled something about interstate commerce making it legal. I'm not how that debate would go when stopped by a cop in MA and asked to show proof of insurance.
  - bloomingeek 3y ago
    In my state, the arm pit of America, OKLA, auto insurance is mandatory. However, a certain amount of my fellow citizens treat it as optional.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    > I'm not sure what happens if someone legally driving in NH without liability insurance ... Wait, you don't need _liability insurance_?!
    - tyingq 3y ago
      "New Hampshire motor vehicle laws do not require you to carry auto insurance, but you must be able to demonstrate that you are able to provide sufficient funds to meet New Hampshire motor vehicle financial responsibility requirements in the event of an at-fault accident." https://www.nh.gov/insurance/consumers/documents/nh_auto_guide.pdf https://www.nh.gov/insurance/consumers/documents/nh_auto_gui...
- notpeter 3y ago
  I also like their Automated License Plate Reader (ALPR) record retention period (3 minutes): > Records of number plates read by each LPR shall not be recorded or transmitted anywhere and shall be purged from the system within 3 minutes of their capture in such a manner that they are destroyed and are not recoverable, unless an alarm resulted in an arrest, a citation, or protective custody, or identified a vehicle that was the subject of a missing person or wanted broadcast [...] https://law.justia.com/codes/new-hampshire/2022/title-xxi/title-261/section-261-75-b/ https://law.justia.com/codes/new-hampshire/2022/title-xxi/ti...
  - pc86 3y ago
    This seems absolutely reasonable. Keep the data about people who have committed or you can reasonably suspect might be committing a crime, get rid of the identifiable information for law-abiding citizens and maybe keep the aggregated metadata. This should be the standard IMO.
- tyingq 3y ago
  It's also often incorrectly thought of as heavily democrat or liberal, perhaps due to association with neighbors like Massachusetts and Vermont. It's somewhat true, but the balance is much closer to 50/50 than those neighbors. And the largest newspaper is very Republican centric.
  - ztetranz 3y ago
    If it wasn't for our former governor John Sununu, (father of the current one), the US response to climate change might have been quite different.
stpe 3y ago
Should it not be ”Live free and die” then?
rsynnott 3y ago
Or, y'know, both, in this case. (Huh; I had no idea there was anywhere left in the developed world where they weren't mandatory.)

alamortsubite 3y ago

In BsAs it's common to hop in a cab and find, as a courtesy, that they've tucked the safety belts in-between the seat cushions so you have a comfortable ride.

MandieD 3y ago
Yeah, we tried (and failed) to dig out the buried cab seatbelts in Lima and Cusco.

Staple_Diet 3y ago

While there was most definitely South Americans on that journey, having made that flight myself I can honestly say it would have been well over 50% Aussies on their way to NZ, Santiago, Buenos Aires etc.

infecto 3y ago
Certainly but I am not suggesting its entirely on the passengers but the culture of safety in a given region. In the US you have a before flight belt check and sometimes mentions during flight. In a lot of other countries I notice that flights are not as concerned about those belt checks.

XzAeRosho 3y ago

I'm from Chile and seatbelt culture is very strong and policed. Most people in the backseats are very used to use their seatbelts, even more so in the front. Intercity buses also have mandatory seatbelts.

diego_sandoval 3y ago
I'm also from Chile, I travel intercity pretty often, and most times, I'm the only person on the bus that I see wearing a seatbelt. It's technically mandatory, but I've traveled like 12 times in the last year, and only twice the assistant has done his nag-round checking that passengers are wearing their seatbelts.