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Shadow ban the comment for people abusing the "flag" button. Downvotes could only gray comments. I hope I am not suggesting morphing HN into old.reddit

hagbard_c 3y ago
Better still: - get rid of the default greying-out, make it something you need to opt-in to, i.e. more or less the reverse of the current 'show dead' - get rid of 'downvote to disagree' as a policy since it reinforces group think - Add 'reason for downvote' and make it mandatory to choose one, then add meta-moderation to combat downvoting abuse - remove 'flag', its function can be incorporated in 'reason for downvote' All this can be put behind the existing downvote button, the interface does not need to change except for the removal of the default greying-out of downvoted comments.
- Karellen 3y ago
  > get rid of 'downvote to disagree' as a policy Is that a current policy?
  - hagbard_c 3y ago
    Yes: > dang on Jan 12, 2018 | parent | context | favorite | on: Chinese Workers Abandon Silicon Valley for Riches ... [1] > Things pg said about downvotes: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347 > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 > It's how HN has always worked, and in my opinion needs to. A site that cares about discussion quality needs those white blood cells. The first links reads: pg on Feb 16, 2008 | parent | context | favorite | on: PG on trolls I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement. Obviously the uparrows aren't only for applauding politeness, so it seems reasonable that the downarrows aren't only for booing rudeness. It only becomes abuse when people resort to karma bombing: downvoting a lot of comments by one user without reading them in order to subtract maximum karma. Fortunately we now have several levels of software to protect against that. The second link: pg on Dec 10, 2008 | parent | context | favorite | on: News.YC Growth Downvoting has always been used to express disagreement. The third link: pg on June 15, 2009 | parent | context | favorite | on: The default form of disagreement IIRC we first had this conversation about a month after launch. Downvotes have always been used to express disagreement. Or more precisely, a negative score has: users seem not to downvote something they disagree with if it already has a sufficiently negative score. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314
    - Karellen 3y ago
      Ah, thanks. I was only looking at the newsfaq and newsguidelines pages.

hagbard_c 3y ago

Better still: - get rid of the default greying-out, make it something you need to opt-in to, i.e. more or less the reverse of the current 'show dead' - get rid of 'downvote to disagree' as a policy since it reinforces group think - Add 'reason for downvote' and make it mandatory to choose one, then add meta-moderation to combat downvoting abuse - remove 'flag', its function can be incorporated in 'reason for downvote' All this can be put behind the existing downvote button, the interface does not need to change except for the removal of the default greying-out of downvoted comments.

Karellen 3y ago
> get rid of 'downvote to disagree' as a policy Is that a current policy?
- hagbard_c 3y ago
  Yes: > dang on Jan 12, 2018 | parent | context | favorite | on: Chinese Workers Abandon Silicon Valley for Riches ... [1] > Things pg said about downvotes: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347 > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691 > It's how HN has always worked, and in my opinion needs to. A site that cares about discussion quality needs those white blood cells. The first links reads: pg on Feb 16, 2008 | parent | context | favorite | on: PG on trolls I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement. Obviously the uparrows aren't only for applauding politeness, so it seems reasonable that the downarrows aren't only for booing rudeness. It only becomes abuse when people resort to karma bombing: downvoting a lot of comments by one user without reading them in order to subtract maximum karma. Fortunately we now have several levels of software to protect against that. The second link: pg on Dec 10, 2008 | parent | context | favorite | on: News.YC Growth Downvoting has always been used to express disagreement. The third link: pg on June 15, 2009 | parent | context | favorite | on: The default form of disagreement IIRC we first had this conversation about a month after launch. Downvotes have always been used to express disagreement. Or more precisely, a negative score has: users seem not to downvote something they disagree with if it already has a sufficiently negative score. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16131314
  - Karellen 3y ago
    Ah, thanks. I was only looking at the newsfaq and newsguidelines pages.