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If your system isn't 100% secure against hacking, you can't really use the system for business. The solution you're forced to use if you can't get genuinely se

If your system isn't 100% secure against hacking, you can't really use the system for business. The solution you're forced to use if you can't get genuinely secure equipment is of course to not use electronic communications. Genuinely sensitive meetings should be held outside, with no electronic equipment brought and at an unexpected place and time.

gruez 3y ago
> If your system isn't 100% secure against hacking, you can't really use the system for business. In a perfect world? Yeah sure. But in the real world that's simply untenable. Every major browser has critical CVEs every few months. Clearly they're not "100% secure against hacking". Are you suggesting that we "can't really use [them] for business"? >Genuinely sensitive meetings should be held outside, with no electronic equipment brought and at an unexpected place and time. The physical world is anything but secure, especially when you're up against the local security services with tens of thousands of agents. Parabolic microphones exist. Bugs can be installed. "unexpected place and time" might make those hard/expensive to pull off, but it doesn't make it "100% secure". Moreover, how are you supposed to coordinate all of this cloak and dagger stuff without electronic communications?
- impossiblefork 3y ago
  You don't coordinate this stuff. If you coordinate it people know where to set up their parabolic microphones. You just go off into the woods randomly during lunch, or some other time that is unlikely to be anticipated. Coordinating it would just destroy the security. Also, isn't it better to be overheard by somebody with a parabolic microphone than to have everything collated and stuffed into an LLM without anybody having to do anything?
  - gruez 3y ago
    >You just go off into the woods randomly during lunch, or some other time that is unlikely to be anticipated. That might work if you're planning to start an "insurrection with the boys", but how are you going to "go off into the woods randomly during lunch" if you're a journalist working with an anonymous tipper?
    - impossiblefork 3y ago
      Ah, I was thinking more about 'Now, let's decide the direction of the company, which if it were something fully known by our competitors would likely ruin everything'. But yes, it's not an approach that can help journalists at all.

gruez 3y ago

> If your system isn't 100% secure against hacking, you can't really use the system for business. In a perfect world? Yeah sure. But in the real world that's simply untenable. Every major browser has critical CVEs every few months. Clearly they're not "100% secure against hacking". Are you suggesting that we "can't really use [them] for business"? >Genuinely sensitive meetings should be held outside, with no electronic equipment brought and at an unexpected place and time. The physical world is anything but secure, especially when you're up against the local security services with tens of thousands of agents. Parabolic microphones exist. Bugs can be installed. "unexpected place and time" might make those hard/expensive to pull off, but it doesn't make it "100% secure". Moreover, how are you supposed to coordinate all of this cloak and dagger stuff without electronic communications?

impossiblefork 3y ago
You don't coordinate this stuff. If you coordinate it people know where to set up their parabolic microphones. You just go off into the woods randomly during lunch, or some other time that is unlikely to be anticipated. Coordinating it would just destroy the security. Also, isn't it better to be overheard by somebody with a parabolic microphone than to have everything collated and stuffed into an LLM without anybody having to do anything?
- gruez 3y ago
  >You just go off into the woods randomly during lunch, or some other time that is unlikely to be anticipated. That might work if you're planning to start an "insurrection with the boys", but how are you going to "go off into the woods randomly during lunch" if you're a journalist working with an anonymous tipper?
  - impossiblefork 3y ago
    Ah, I was thinking more about 'Now, let's decide the direction of the company, which if it were something fully known by our competitors would likely ruin everything'. But yes, it's not an approach that can help journalists at all.