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> Nothing is 100% secure against the mossad or whatever Signal is 0% secure because it is the main target of their attacks.

• gruez 3y ago
  >Signal is 0% secure because it is the main target of their attacks. 1. This is a non-sequitur. Just because they're trying hard to break it, doesn't necessarily mean it's broken right now. Moreover, even if we grant that they have 0days stockpiled, it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to burn those on any target. 2. What are you going to use instead of signal? Some off-brand messenger that's not "the main target of their attacks" but is also less well scrutinized? I'd rather not engage in security by obscurity.
  • fragmede 3y ago
    Wickr and Threema come to mind, though they're not without their own problems
• MattPalmer1086 3y ago
  Apps like signal are not intended to individually protect you from hostile states. They let normal people chat with reasonable assurance that their messages are not being read by other people. It also provides very good assurance against mass surveillance. The cryptography is such that even nation states almost certainly can't crack it either. But then, if you were a specific target, they would just compromise your phone, not attack the crypto.
  • hgomersall 3y ago
    I'm always a little sceptical that the government agencies are anything like as capable as they are claimed to be. I've no doubt they have a load of zero days in their back pocket and various techniques to exploit them, but they also have a strong interest in their capabilities being perceived as both extensive and mysterious. The smoke and mirrors stuff they are excellent at.
    • MattPalmer1086 3y ago
      That the capability exists is well documented. See the Pegasus spyware that many governments have used. To what extent it is used against particular targets I'm sure is quite secret.