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>Manufactured from what? Manufactured how? Transported how? Installed how? Maintained how? Fossil. Fuels. are dams, wind turbines, solar panels and geothermal

>Manufactured from what? Manufactured how? Transported how? Installed how? Maintained how? Fossil. Fuels. are dams, wind turbines, solar panels and geothermal systems brought into existence by sheer willpower of environmentally conscious folx singing kumbaya? as for the rest of your rant, the very fact that you have access to electricity, internet and a computing device makes it rather clear that you don't practice what you preach.

senectus1 3y ago
brought to you by: the committee for binary solutions... its either this or that. never anything in between.
MrVandemar 3y ago
> as for the rest of your rant, the very fact that you have access to electricity, internet and a computing device makes it rather clear that you don't practice what you preach. I drive a small, fuel efficient car, 10 years old, at a speed mostly below the maximum speed limit to optimise fuel use further. I haven't flown in an aeroplane for about 20 years. I live in a passive solar straw-bale house that I built. It doesn't have an air-conditioner in it, the thermal qualities keep it cool in Summer and warm in Winter. It has solar electricity, and solar hot water, and we collect our own water. We grow a lot of our own fruit and vegetables, and use little fertiliser imports. We have planted over 1,000 native trees on our property in a revegetation project. I'm typing on a 2nd hand laptop. I use a phone that's 5 years old, and wasn't the latest and greatest when I bought it. So: yeah, I acknowledge there is a long way to go, but I refute absolutely and vigorously your claim based on only superficial evidence and assumptions that I don't "practice what I preach". The way you wrote that makes me think that you enjoy your luxury first world existence, and are defensive about any idea of making serious lifestyle changes to reduce your footprint and impact. We are, after all, "the first species that won't save itself because it's not cost effective".
- 123yawaworht456 3y ago
  >The way you wrote that makes me think that you enjoy your luxury first world existence, and are defensive about any idea of making serious lifestyle changes to reduce your footprint and impact. third world, no car. I win.
  - MrVandemar 3y ago
    Instead of considering what I wrote, you've shifted your position to it being a game, that you "win". This is not the kind of discourse I come to HN for. The biggest choice you can make that has an impact on climate is not whether or not you own or drive a car, or where you live. I have made that very big choice in favour of lessening my impact on the climate and ecosystem which I love, and I am at peace with it. But nobody wins: we both lose.
    - 123yawaworht456 3y ago
      it was just a quip. yes, yes, I acknowledge, you are not what I thought you'd be. I usually see that rhetoric from generic rootless urbanites who enjoy every perk of living in a post-industrial society and yet demand someone to do something to put an end to it all. I didn't expect to stumble upon a genuine masochist off-grid hippie living in a straw hut. still, you have ignored my primary point: all measures to reduce usage of fossil fuels, reduce carbon emissions and slow down climate change require... usage of fossil fuels. mining, manufacturing, transportation across thousands of miles of land, sea and air. should we give it all up and retvrn to monke?
    - rokkitmensch 3y ago
      I thought it a delightfully amusing comment on how our culture hijacks meaningful but perhaps marginal efforts into virtue signaling.

senectus1 3y ago

brought to you by: the committee for binary solutions... its either this or that. never anything in between.

MrVandemar 3y ago

> as for the rest of your rant, the very fact that you have access to electricity, internet and a computing device makes it rather clear that you don't practice what you preach. I drive a small, fuel efficient car, 10 years old, at a speed mostly below the maximum speed limit to optimise fuel use further. I haven't flown in an aeroplane for about 20 years. I live in a passive solar straw-bale house that I built. It doesn't have an air-conditioner in it, the thermal qualities keep it cool in Summer and warm in Winter. It has solar electricity, and solar hot water, and we collect our own water. We grow a lot of our own fruit and vegetables, and use little fertiliser imports. We have planted over 1,000 native trees on our property in a revegetation project. I'm typing on a 2nd hand laptop. I use a phone that's 5 years old, and wasn't the latest and greatest when I bought it. So: yeah, I acknowledge there is a long way to go, but I refute absolutely and vigorously your claim based on only superficial evidence and assumptions that I don't "practice what I preach". The way you wrote that makes me think that you enjoy your luxury first world existence, and are defensive about any idea of making serious lifestyle changes to reduce your footprint and impact. We are, after all, "the first species that won't save itself because it's not cost effective".

123yawaworht456 3y ago
>The way you wrote that makes me think that you enjoy your luxury first world existence, and are defensive about any idea of making serious lifestyle changes to reduce your footprint and impact. third world, no car. I win.
- MrVandemar 3y ago
  Instead of considering what I wrote, you've shifted your position to it being a game, that you "win". This is not the kind of discourse I come to HN for. The biggest choice you can make that has an impact on climate is not whether or not you own or drive a car, or where you live. I have made that very big choice in favour of lessening my impact on the climate and ecosystem which I love, and I am at peace with it. But nobody wins: we both lose.
  - 123yawaworht456 3y ago
    it was just a quip. yes, yes, I acknowledge, you are not what I thought you'd be. I usually see that rhetoric from generic rootless urbanites who enjoy every perk of living in a post-industrial society and yet demand someone to do something to put an end to it all. I didn't expect to stumble upon a genuine masochist off-grid hippie living in a straw hut. still, you have ignored my primary point: all measures to reduce usage of fossil fuels, reduce carbon emissions and slow down climate change require... usage of fossil fuels. mining, manufacturing, transportation across thousands of miles of land, sea and air. should we give it all up and retvrn to monke?
  - rokkitmensch 3y ago
    I thought it a delightfully amusing comment on how our culture hijacks meaningful but perhaps marginal efforts into virtue signaling.