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>I never met anyone in my life who made any serious money without some kind of cheating or fraud or unethical conduct either by them or their ancestors. You ha

>I never met anyone in my life who made any serious money without some kind of cheating or fraud or unethical conduct either by them or their ancestors. You have picked a wrong crowd. That is on you. Go talk to surgeons, doctors, pharma researchers - very decent people, who made/make serious money.

jongjong 3y ago
>> surgeons, doctors, pharma researchers Who paid their rent and university fees while they were studying for 10 years to become a doctor?
- xarope 3y ago
  Are you insinuating that surgeons, doctors, pharma researchers cannot pay rent and university fees without their parents resorting to illegal activity? There are such well known things as student loans, working whilst studying (some very successful doctors have talked about having to bus tables whilst studying)
- defrost 3y ago
  10 years? Where are you? It can be 3 year Bachelors degree + 4 years M.D. (seven years total) with the opportunity to earn money as a resident or rural practitioner while completing the M.D. https://study.unimelb.edu.au/find/pathways/doctor/ https://study.unimelb.edu.au/find/pathways/doctor/ If your grades are good you can be accepted and either pay back fees when earning or ride through on a scholarship if good enough to qualify.
  - JohnMakin 3y ago
    You must spend a long time in residency with brutal working hours and typically very little pay. It's been a well known complaint for years that this system tends to naturally exclude people who don't come from privilege.
    - defrost 3y ago
      In my student days there was an entire street scheduled for expansion that had 80 odd houses down one side as cheap rents by the main roads department, I shared a house with seven other students, four were medical, none came from any privilege other than relatively secure working class - two came from farmers, one from a boilermaker, the other from a telecom line working family. There are people willing to work long hours for little return with the prospect of a better job after an apprenticeship. Medical degrees are offered globally, not all locations only allow the children of privilege to become doctors.
  - pvaldes 3y ago
    The time investment is more than ten years easily. In Europe at least. Who paid? Their parents. Grocers, school teachers, plumbers... also lawyers of course, but in Europe you don't need to have rich parents to study medicine.
- popcalc 3y ago
  I assume when the parent says "serious money", he means 9 digits plus.
  - lupusreal 3y ago
    That is "the parent".

jongjong 3y ago

>> surgeons, doctors, pharma researchers Who paid their rent and university fees while they were studying for 10 years to become a doctor?

xarope 3y ago
Are you insinuating that surgeons, doctors, pharma researchers cannot pay rent and university fees without their parents resorting to illegal activity? There are such well known things as student loans, working whilst studying (some very successful doctors have talked about having to bus tables whilst studying)
defrost 3y ago
10 years? Where are you? It can be 3 year Bachelors degree + 4 years M.D. (seven years total) with the opportunity to earn money as a resident or rural practitioner while completing the M.D. https://study.unimelb.edu.au/find/pathways/doctor/ https://study.unimelb.edu.au/find/pathways/doctor/ If your grades are good you can be accepted and either pay back fees when earning or ride through on a scholarship if good enough to qualify.
- JohnMakin 3y ago
  You must spend a long time in residency with brutal working hours and typically very little pay. It's been a well known complaint for years that this system tends to naturally exclude people who don't come from privilege.
  - defrost 3y ago
    In my student days there was an entire street scheduled for expansion that had 80 odd houses down one side as cheap rents by the main roads department, I shared a house with seven other students, four were medical, none came from any privilege other than relatively secure working class - two came from farmers, one from a boilermaker, the other from a telecom line working family. There are people willing to work long hours for little return with the prospect of a better job after an apprenticeship. Medical degrees are offered globally, not all locations only allow the children of privilege to become doctors.
- pvaldes 3y ago
  The time investment is more than ten years easily. In Europe at least. Who paid? Their parents. Grocers, school teachers, plumbers... also lawyers of course, but in Europe you don't need to have rich parents to study medicine.
popcalc 3y ago
I assume when the parent says "serious money", he means 9 digits plus.
- lupusreal 3y ago
  That is "the parent".