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I’m not sure what you’re going on about. My lay understanding is that the process you’re describing happens at a different pH, same ingredients. Yes you can ge

I’m not sure what you’re going on about. My lay understanding is that the process you’re describing happens at a different pH, same ingredients. Yes you can get bleach and toxic gases, but, like, don’t do that? My understanding is that most large schools and hospitals have on-site synthesis of exactly this for disinfecting. There are off-the-shelf products that do the same thing for the consumer market. This is the favorite I’ve found: https://www.forceofnatureclean.com/ https://www.forceofnatureclean.com/ My understanding is you get lye on the anode and hydrogen chloride on the cathode (might have those backwards?). I think it’s one hydrogen one chlorine atom? Hydrogen chloride sounds right (but I’m not a chemist) I think it’s also called hypochlorite? My understanding is the vinegar controls the pH to get the water molecule and salt molecule to do its thing. But I’m also under the impression that this is perfectly safe. I produce and use the cleaner daily, have been for a while!

amluto 3y ago
Hypochlorous acid solutions for wound care and such are indeed a thing, and they are produced by companies that know what they're doing, and I assume they make a batch, purify it, measure and adjust the pH. That "Force of Nature" site looks a bit sketchy. At least they claim to be using a controlled chemistry (although they can't actually control the tap water pH), and they are EPA registered. Their EPA registration claims that they produce 220 ppm "available chlorine" solution. Hydrogen chloride is not hypochlorous acid. Hydrogen chloride dissolved in water is hydrochloric acid, aka muriatic acid or stomach acid (nasty stuff unless it's very dilute), and it will also kill bacteria if you concentrate it enough because it's very acidic. You can find it in a lot of toilet cleaners. Here's an IMO mildly less sketchy product: https://store.hocl.com/ecoone/ https://store.hocl.com/ecoone/ At least it ships with test strips. If you DIY this and stick big electrodes in salt water (especially with added vinegar, especially if you get the pH below about or if you fail to capture the bubbles so they can dissolve fully) and connect a beefy power supply, you will regret it.

amluto 3y ago

Hypochlorous acid solutions for wound care and such are indeed a thing, and they are produced by companies that know what they're doing, and I assume they make a batch, purify it, measure and adjust the pH. That "Force of Nature" site looks a bit sketchy. At least they claim to be using a controlled chemistry (although they can't actually control the tap water pH), and they are EPA registered. Their EPA registration claims that they produce 220 ppm "available chlorine" solution. Hydrogen chloride is not hypochlorous acid. Hydrogen chloride dissolved in water is hydrochloric acid, aka muriatic acid or stomach acid (nasty stuff unless it's very dilute), and it will also kill bacteria if you concentrate it enough because it's very acidic. You can find it in a lot of toilet cleaners. Here's an IMO mildly less sketchy product: https://store.hocl.com/ecoone/ https://store.hocl.com/ecoone/ At least it ships with test strips. If you DIY this and stick big electrodes in salt water (especially with added vinegar, especially if you get the pH below about or if you fail to capture the bubbles so they can dissolve fully) and connect a beefy power supply, you will regret it.