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> So you’re literally making it impossible to salvage your comment when you go off on rants about censorship. Fair, but this has become such a sore touch poin

> So you’re literally making it impossible to salvage your comment when you go off on rants about censorship. Fair, but this has become such a sore touch point for all of the internet. This has become one of my passion issues, and I've written about it on HN extensively [1, 2, 3, ...]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39530172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39530172 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38902385 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38902385 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36702678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36702678

andrewflnr 3y ago
Your [2] is interesting in this regard. Mastodon is pretty much the modern tech ecosystem's answer to this whole scenario, and you already don't find that satisfactory. I don't disagree with your reasons, but: your objection is not really technical, but about what people do with delegated moderation authority. You counter by saying each individual should completely control what they see, but here's the dirty truth: almost no one actually wants to do that. Even if they say they do, that's a lot of effort. Even you propose something similar with "Different teams can expose their own sets of labels". Most people are just going to block a bunch of labels with no further analysis, which puts you pretty close to where we are now. In practice, delegated moderation will be rampant, and it will definitely make mistakes. So this is the detailed version of what I said in my first comment: if you get the world of protocols you say you want, and then make comments people don't like, then you won't get visible downvotes, you'll just be blocked. That really doesn't sound like it solves the problem you're raising. For my part I really don't think it's solvable at all, moderation is just going to be very difficult forever.

andrewflnr 3y ago

Your [2] is interesting in this regard. Mastodon is pretty much the modern tech ecosystem's answer to this whole scenario, and you already don't find that satisfactory. I don't disagree with your reasons, but: your objection is not really technical, but about what people do with delegated moderation authority. You counter by saying each individual should completely control what they see, but here's the dirty truth: almost no one actually wants to do that. Even if they say they do, that's a lot of effort. Even you propose something similar with "Different teams can expose their own sets of labels". Most people are just going to block a bunch of labels with no further analysis, which puts you pretty close to where we are now. In practice, delegated moderation will be rampant, and it will definitely make mistakes. So this is the detailed version of what I said in my first comment: if you get the world of protocols you say you want, and then make comments people don't like, then you won't get visible downvotes, you'll just be blocked. That really doesn't sound like it solves the problem you're raising. For my part I really don't think it's solvable at all, moderation is just going to be very difficult forever.