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Why start your comment by saying "I know probably 95% of HN will see it as a downside but"? And this is irrespective of whether that 95% is right or not. Goog

Why start your comment by saying "I know probably 95% of HN will see it as a downside but"? And this is irrespective of whether that 95% is right or not. Google "father son and donkey story". And re: that 95%: See normal distribution aka bell curve. And echo chamber and hive mind. All of the above imply the same main point, just in different ways.

hun3 3y ago
Sort of like defence against possible downvoters. If OP went along the "father, son, and donkey story," then the OP won't have posted it at all.
- fuzztester 3y ago
  No, they could still have chosen to post it, even if they went along with that story. My point was that there is no need to prepare a defence against downvoters, that too, up front. Not needed at all. Why is their opinion important to the OP? They can have their opinions, he can have his opinion of the same matter. What's the problem? The problem is only if one thinks that HN karma is important. It's totally unimportant.
  - hun3 3y ago
    Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one will see it.
    - fuzztester 3y ago
      >Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. So what? IMO, HN comments are also unimportant. In fact, HN is also unimportant. I said that here on HN recently. Jeez. Does anyone think HN is important in the real world? In the HN world, HN may be important (and even then, only to some), but then it is an echo chamber. >There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one will see it. Maybe. Maybe not. Do you rate the importance or value of your comments by the number of people who see them? >There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one will see it. So what? So comment anyway, without bothering about it disappearing, just to express yourself, or refrain from commenting if the disappearing of your comment is so important to you.
      - hun3 3y ago
        That makes sense. Why are you here, though?
        fuzztester 3y ago
        >That makes sense. First say which of my above statements you refer to. Until then I cannot meaningfully reply to your question: >Why are you here, though? Also, why should I not be here? You have any problem with it? See what I did there?
        hun3 3y ago
        > First say which of my above statements you refer to. Nothing in particular. > Also, why should I not be here? You have any problem with it? Not at all. You might be reading too much into my comment, though.
        fuzztester 3y ago
        Dude: >>First say which of my above statements you refer to. >Nothing in particular. >You might be reading too much into my comment, though. I cannot be reading too much into your comment if you say that you refer to nothing in particular (out of my statements). QED. Be logical, like Spock: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy kthxbye :)
        fuzztester 3y ago
        Not sure of your meaning, but maybe you're confusing unimportant with uninteresting? HN may be unimportant, but it is (sometimes) interesting, because of those very comments. Go figure (pun intended).
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. Preemptive defense against downvotes is a good way to attract them, so that's another reason not to do it.
      - fuzztester 3y ago
        >so that's another reason not to do it. Unless one doesn't care about downvotes, because, you know, one is not a slave to convention.
  - fuzztester 3y ago
    >he can have his opinion he or she (or they), sorry.
zmmmmm 3y ago
Unfortunately I pretty much have only ever seen negative comments about Eclipse on HN. It seems immensely unpopular and often the minute you mention it you'll get a bunch of often derisive replies. At this point I've had to come to terms with the fact that I'm the odd one out and own it, and that is how I do it. No disrepect meant, more acknowledgement of my own exceptionalism.
- fuzztester 3y ago
  Interesting approach.

hun3 3y ago

Sort of like defence against possible downvoters. If OP went along the "father, son, and donkey story," then the OP won't have posted it at all.

fuzztester 3y ago
No, they could still have chosen to post it, even if they went along with that story. My point was that there is no need to prepare a defence against downvoters, that too, up front. Not needed at all. Why is their opinion important to the OP? They can have their opinions, he can have his opinion of the same matter. What's the problem? The problem is only if one thinks that HN karma is important. It's totally unimportant.
- hun3 3y ago
  Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one will see it.
  - fuzztester 3y ago
    >Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. So what? IMO, HN comments are also unimportant. In fact, HN is also unimportant. I said that here on HN recently. Jeez. Does anyone think HN is important in the real world? In the HN world, HN may be important (and even then, only to some), but then it is an echo chamber. >There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one will see it. Maybe. Maybe not. Do you rate the importance or value of your comments by the number of people who see them? >There is little point in making a comment that will disappear anyway, since no one will see it. So what? So comment anyway, without bothering about it disappearing, just to express yourself, or refrain from commenting if the disappearing of your comment is so important to you.
    - hun3 3y ago
      That makes sense. Why are you here, though?
      - fuzztester 3y ago
        >That makes sense. First say which of my above statements you refer to. Until then I cannot meaningfully reply to your question: >Why are you here, though? Also, why should I not be here? You have any problem with it? See what I did there?
        hun3 3y ago
        > First say which of my above statements you refer to. Nothing in particular. > Also, why should I not be here? You have any problem with it? Not at all. You might be reading too much into my comment, though.
        fuzztester 3y ago
        Dude: >>First say which of my above statements you refer to. >Nothing in particular. >You might be reading too much into my comment, though. I cannot be reading too much into your comment if you say that you refer to nothing in particular (out of my statements). QED. Be logical, like Spock: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy kthxbye :)
      - fuzztester 3y ago
        Not sure of your meaning, but maybe you're confusing unimportant with uninteresting? HN may be unimportant, but it is (sometimes) interesting, because of those very comments. Go figure (pun intended).
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Karma is unimportant, but downvotes fade away the comment. Preemptive defense against downvotes is a good way to attract them, so that's another reason not to do it.
    - fuzztester 3y ago
      >so that's another reason not to do it. Unless one doesn't care about downvotes, because, you know, one is not a slave to convention.
- fuzztester 3y ago
  >he can have his opinion he or she (or they), sorry.

zmmmmm 3y ago

Unfortunately I pretty much have only ever seen negative comments about Eclipse on HN. It seems immensely unpopular and often the minute you mention it you'll get a bunch of often derisive replies. At this point I've had to come to terms with the fact that I'm the odd one out and own it, and that is how I do it. No disrepect meant, more acknowledgement of my own exceptionalism.

fuzztester 3y ago
Interesting approach.