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> "An unknown object behaving in ways that defies our understanding doesn't immediately suggest unknown physics for me. It does, however, suggest clever enginee

by Izkata 3y ago

> "An unknown object behaving in ways that defies our understanding doesn't immediately suggest unknown physics for me. It does, however, suggest clever engineering, at the very least" - Kevin Knuth Don't we even already have an example of this one? I remember triangle-shaped UFOs with either 3 or 5 lights being a thing for a while, then years later we find out about the B-2 bomber, which looks like that when it's landing.

keepamovin 3y ago
Yes! But clever engineering doesn't only mean, engineered by humans from Earth, haha! :) Definitely there are secret programs that have cool tech built with clever engineering from humans from Earth. Some of this engineering may be even beyond conventionally accepted propulsion, as discussed in this American Alchemy video by Jesse Michels where he talks about the B-2 potentially using the Biefield-Brown effect, or ionic lift to reduce drag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTEWLSTyUic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTEWLSTyUic JM wants to suggest that most UFOs could be 'prosaic' secret program technology. Certainly some are, and USAF CI has used fake UFO stories to protect those secrets in the past. But I think the idea that all or even most are human tech, or that humans have tech that can replicate the 'anomalous observables' (5000G maneuvers, no flight control surface, no propulsion, no exhaust, super speed, transmedium), is very unlikely. Some reasons: - the UFO disinfo narratives heavily bias towards this suggestion, and extend to various colors of what is most likely fantasy: a secret space program that's gone interstellar, a breakaway civilization that lives on Mars, Space Nazis, etc...The point is, if you're trying to control perception so much, you're unlikely to have any results in reality (as much as you may want them!) - if we had this tech why wouldn't we have deployed to dominate economically or geopolitically? - historical UFO sightings (1800s) predate our technological civilization. - reliable reports of UFOs in the 30s - 50s that have the same anomalous flight, but predate modern aerospace, materials and electrical sciences. - if any of what is identified as supposed human-made human-operated anomalous craft are actually genuine ET/NHI spaceships, these could be from civilizations 1000s to millions of years advanced of us. It's unreasonable to think we could catch up with such lofty achievements in just 100 years, clever as we may be! Haha :) - the argument the government doesn't tell us because it's our own secret program is weaker than the government doesn't tell us because we have no secret programs that can compare to this. Ass covering and relative incompetence are more likely than anomalous uber tech that we sly-brag about but haven't really used.

by Izkata 3y ago

keepamovin 3y ago

Yes! But clever engineering doesn't only mean, engineered by humans from Earth, haha! :) Definitely there are secret programs that have cool tech built with clever engineering from humans from Earth. Some of this engineering may be even beyond conventionally accepted propulsion, as discussed in this American Alchemy video by Jesse Michels where he talks about the B-2 potentially using the Biefield-Brown effect, or ionic lift to reduce drag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTEWLSTyUic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTEWLSTyUic JM wants to suggest that most UFOs could be 'prosaic' secret program technology. Certainly some are, and USAF CI has used fake UFO stories to protect those secrets in the past. But I think the idea that all or even most are human tech, or that humans have tech that can replicate the 'anomalous observables' (5000G maneuvers, no flight control surface, no propulsion, no exhaust, super speed, transmedium), is very unlikely. Some reasons: - the UFO disinfo narratives heavily bias towards this suggestion, and extend to various colors of what is most likely fantasy: a secret space program that's gone interstellar, a breakaway civilization that lives on Mars, Space Nazis, etc...The point is, if you're trying to control perception so much, you're unlikely to have any results in reality (as much as you may want them!) - if we had this tech why wouldn't we have deployed to dominate economically or geopolitically? - historical UFO sightings (1800s) predate our technological civilization. - reliable reports of UFOs in the 30s - 50s that have the same anomalous flight, but predate modern aerospace, materials and electrical sciences. - if any of what is identified as supposed human-made human-operated anomalous craft are actually genuine ET/NHI spaceships, these could be from civilizations 1000s to millions of years advanced of us. It's unreasonable to think we could catch up with such lofty achievements in just 100 years, clever as we may be! Haha :) - the argument the government doesn't tell us because it's our own secret program is weaker than the government doesn't tell us because we have no secret programs that can compare to this. Ass covering and relative incompetence are more likely than anomalous uber tech that we sly-brag about but haven't really used.