3 ms·

I can't imagine a bigger cultural disappointment than Yahoo! quite frankly. Crock was probably the best thing about that entire organization. I've been quietly

I can't imagine a bigger cultural disappointment than Yahoo! quite frankly. Crock was probably the best thing about that entire organization. I've been quietly thinking he should leave for awhile now, but haven't said anything on the internet because seriously who am I to say what he should or shouldn't do. We know he didn't lie about his college degree so I think the move away from Yahoo! is smart.

lopatin 14y ago
Yahoo may be losing users on some of their have-been web services, but to say that the developer culture is one of the worst is the funniest thing I ever heard. Yahoo is doing more for developers than almost any company out there. Ever heard of YUI or Mojito? How about YQL, Hadoop, or YSlow? With so much open source effort on their part, and the enormous success of some of those mentioned, I don't really see how Yahoo is a "cultural" step down from PayPal, especially when talking Javascript.
- mgkimsal 14y ago
  I started moving away from YUI between v2 and v3, mostly because the project started feeling very disorganized. There wasn't a clear timeline as to when components from v2 would be upgraded to v3. Namespacing helped, but I didn't want to invest time developing code around v2 components if v3 versions were right around the corner, but there was little to no insight as to if/when components would be migrated. That seems to mirror the rest of Yahoo from what I've seen - some really good/cool/useful tech, poor management/communication about it. Perhaps at that size, it's just endemic in a culture?
  - atarian 14y ago
    YUI 2 was an awful mess but YUI 3 is pretty good. YUI 3 actually came out a while ago (it's at version 3.4 I think). But it's gotten a lot more simpler thanks in part to mimicking jQuery selectors.
- zafriedman 14y ago
  You make some decent points, but a guy like Doug can work wherever he wants so while Yahoo! might release more open source packages than 99% of the shops out there, you can't just throw out the other, better companies in the top 1% like Google and Twitter who, in my opinion, release much better open source software, software that I actually use. I agree that Yahoo! has over the years done a respectable job in becoming a leader in open source JavaScript development, but since Doug has had a huge hand in this, couldn't one argue that he could bring that along with him wherever he goes? Furthermore, in some of these other companies, at least his CEO won't be just pretending to know what JSON is :)
  - dpark 14y ago
    > much better open source software, software that I actually use Whether or not you use something doesn't determine whether it's high quality. Yahoo definitely releases some quality OSS.

lopatin 14y ago

Yahoo may be losing users on some of their have-been web services, but to say that the developer culture is one of the worst is the funniest thing I ever heard. Yahoo is doing more for developers than almost any company out there. Ever heard of YUI or Mojito? How about YQL, Hadoop, or YSlow? With so much open source effort on their part, and the enormous success of some of those mentioned, I don't really see how Yahoo is a "cultural" step down from PayPal, especially when talking Javascript.

mgkimsal 14y ago
I started moving away from YUI between v2 and v3, mostly because the project started feeling very disorganized. There wasn't a clear timeline as to when components from v2 would be upgraded to v3. Namespacing helped, but I didn't want to invest time developing code around v2 components if v3 versions were right around the corner, but there was little to no insight as to if/when components would be migrated. That seems to mirror the rest of Yahoo from what I've seen - some really good/cool/useful tech, poor management/communication about it. Perhaps at that size, it's just endemic in a culture?
- atarian 14y ago
  YUI 2 was an awful mess but YUI 3 is pretty good. YUI 3 actually came out a while ago (it's at version 3.4 I think). But it's gotten a lot more simpler thanks in part to mimicking jQuery selectors.
zafriedman 14y ago
You make some decent points, but a guy like Doug can work wherever he wants so while Yahoo! might release more open source packages than 99% of the shops out there, you can't just throw out the other, better companies in the top 1% like Google and Twitter who, in my opinion, release much better open source software, software that I actually use. I agree that Yahoo! has over the years done a respectable job in becoming a leader in open source JavaScript development, but since Doug has had a huge hand in this, couldn't one argue that he could bring that along with him wherever he goes? Furthermore, in some of these other companies, at least his CEO won't be just pretending to know what JSON is :)
- dpark 14y ago
  > much better open source software, software that I actually use Whether or not you use something doesn't determine whether it's high quality. Yahoo definitely releases some quality OSS.