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This is a Canadian article. Canada is one of the fastest growing countries in the world with a quarterly population growth rate of 1.1%. This country is run by

This is a Canadian article. Canada is one of the fastest growing countries in the world with a quarterly population growth rate of 1.1%. This country is run by pro-immigration extremists and I don’t think it’s relevant for the audience here. Our job market is it’s own beast. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/231219/dq231219c-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/231219/dq231...

ElvisTrout 3y ago
Is it extremist to be pro immigration? Or are they extremely pro immigration?
- asdf6969 3y ago
  They are so pro immigration that they are extremists. The American equivalent would be your population growing by 14 million in the last year. Would you support this? Our unemployment rate is rising and we have a severe housing crisis but they will not reduce the rate.
  - fouc 3y ago
    US gets approximately 0.5% to 0.7% population growth from immigrants, Canada is gets around 1% to 1.2%. But US gets 2+ million illegal immigrants annually, which adds another 0.6%. So US and Canada both have very similar immigration rates after all.
- ape4 3y ago
  There are some very vocal anti-immigration people in Canada - like the grandparent post.
  - asdf6969 3y ago
    It is not anti-immigration to not want to be the fastest growing country in the world.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      Indeed. If you can’t protect yourself from your government’s efforts to keep wages suppressed through importing labor while also ignoring the housing crisis, it is logical to be anti immigration. That’s not racist or xenophobic, that’s economic self preservation.
  - Solvitieg 3y ago
    C'mon, no. In Canada it's openly discussed that recent immigration policy could be excessive. It's not a fringe anti-immigrant viewpoint, it's discussed in the media and at the dinner table. Canada is a very pro-immigrant country, but there is nuance in the discussion https://abacusdata.ca/unmasking-public-unease-with-canadas-immigration-goals/ https://abacusdata.ca/unmasking-public-unease-with-canadas-i...
elrobinto 3y ago
"Our job market"? Is hacker news only intended for a US audience?
ambientenv 3y ago
Canada, like most other global north countries (regions), cannot maintain its economy - at least in the expected way, that is of ever-increasing GDP as has been the trend for the last 75+ years - based upon birth rate alone. We are below the replacement rate. Demographics, another aspect of the so-called poly crisis whereby we see and interact with the world through the lens of the left-brain hemisphere, isolated and reductionist, rather than a necessary and more holistic "big picture" global view. For an interesting and relatively plain language view: https://www.ecosophia.net/an-unfamiliar-world/ https://www.ecosophia.net/an-unfamiliar-world/
- asdf6969 3y ago
  We could reduce our immigration rate by over 90% and still have net-positive growth. Why is birth rate relevant?
- gloryjulio 3y ago
  This is a bad argument. The birthrate is bad IS because the economy is badly ran. The per capita gdp is shrinking and people just can't afford the kids in Canada. Canada economy is essentially controlled by various cartels. The housing crisis is manufactured. Importing people is a vicious circle. If you really want a positive example about how a Developed country can be with an ok birthrate without much immigration. Look at Japan
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 3y ago
    Is the last one a joke? (I'm asking for real if it was sarcasm) From my understanding, Japan birthrate is dramatic. If it is not intended as a joke, and I completely apologize upfront, the tone can't be conveyed through chat, could you expand a bit? My poor knowledge was that Japan's birthrate is possibly the example of "things going bad"
    - gloryjulio 3y ago
      Not a joke. Considering Japan has almost 0 immigration birthrate, the population is almost purely domestic, the number is really not that bad. China and Korea are much worse.

ElvisTrout 3y ago

Is it extremist to be pro immigration? Or are they extremely pro immigration?

asdf6969 3y ago
They are so pro immigration that they are extremists. The American equivalent would be your population growing by 14 million in the last year. Would you support this? Our unemployment rate is rising and we have a severe housing crisis but they will not reduce the rate.
- fouc 3y ago
  US gets approximately 0.5% to 0.7% population growth from immigrants, Canada is gets around 1% to 1.2%. But US gets 2+ million illegal immigrants annually, which adds another 0.6%. So US and Canada both have very similar immigration rates after all.
ape4 3y ago
There are some very vocal anti-immigration people in Canada - like the grandparent post.
- asdf6969 3y ago
  It is not anti-immigration to not want to be the fastest growing country in the world.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Indeed. If you can’t protect yourself from your government’s efforts to keep wages suppressed through importing labor while also ignoring the housing crisis, it is logical to be anti immigration. That’s not racist or xenophobic, that’s economic self preservation.
- Solvitieg 3y ago
  C'mon, no. In Canada it's openly discussed that recent immigration policy could be excessive. It's not a fringe anti-immigrant viewpoint, it's discussed in the media and at the dinner table. Canada is a very pro-immigrant country, but there is nuance in the discussion https://abacusdata.ca/unmasking-public-unease-with-canadas-immigration-goals/ https://abacusdata.ca/unmasking-public-unease-with-canadas-i...

elrobinto 3y ago

"Our job market"? Is hacker news only intended for a US audience?

ambientenv 3y ago

Canada, like most other global north countries (regions), cannot maintain its economy - at least in the expected way, that is of ever-increasing GDP as has been the trend for the last 75+ years - based upon birth rate alone. We are below the replacement rate. Demographics, another aspect of the so-called poly crisis whereby we see and interact with the world through the lens of the left-brain hemisphere, isolated and reductionist, rather than a necessary and more holistic "big picture" global view. For an interesting and relatively plain language view: https://www.ecosophia.net/an-unfamiliar-world/ https://www.ecosophia.net/an-unfamiliar-world/

asdf6969 3y ago
We could reduce our immigration rate by over 90% and still have net-positive growth. Why is birth rate relevant?
gloryjulio 3y ago
This is a bad argument. The birthrate is bad IS because the economy is badly ran. The per capita gdp is shrinking and people just can't afford the kids in Canada. Canada economy is essentially controlled by various cartels. The housing crisis is manufactured. Importing people is a vicious circle. If you really want a positive example about how a Developed country can be with an ok birthrate without much immigration. Look at Japan
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 3y ago
  Is the last one a joke? (I'm asking for real if it was sarcasm) From my understanding, Japan birthrate is dramatic. If it is not intended as a joke, and I completely apologize upfront, the tone can't be conveyed through chat, could you expand a bit? My poor knowledge was that Japan's birthrate is possibly the example of "things going bad"
  - gloryjulio 3y ago
    Not a joke. Considering Japan has almost 0 immigration birthrate, the population is almost purely domestic, the number is really not that bad. China and Korea are much worse.