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Did you include the eternal pressure from bad managers in your... analysis, let's call it generously? Did it occur to you that people want to put research into

Did you include the eternal pressure from bad managers in your... analysis, let's call it generously? Did it occur to you that people want to put research into their code but are not given time to do so? And finally, did it occur to you that "just leave and find a better company" is not possible for everyone? Not to mention that most companies are mediocre-to-bad so the "better" companies are a small and very finite pool. Comments like yours paint a wrong picture and are not helpful or productive.

rnmmrnm 3y ago
I get hurt by managers messing with my scope every day. It is a struggle :). Because of it I also find solace in open source where I am the boss of everything. But, I don't give up. I pitch my bosses research trails all of the time. 90% they don't hit the mark, mostly because I don't try to conform to the whatever roadmap the product team has laid out. But once in a while my ambition and their plan converge, and this is when I get to play out the really cool stuff I do at my job.
- pdimitar 3y ago
  Cool, I try to do the same and yeah, my success rate is roughly the same. :)
swatcoder 3y ago
I see the same approach to the craft when people talk about personal projects or their own startup efforts. You seem to have taken the OP's comment very personally, and I'm sorry if you're stuck in a job that forces you to compromise your practice even when you know better. But there's also a (admittedly familiar) problem of a prolonged growth boom flooding the industry with bad engineers that produce fragile work and have poor foundational knowledge.
- pdimitar 3y ago
  Yes, both can be and are true at the same time. It's not an either/or.
northwest65 3y ago
No, I don't think they do paint a wrong picture, and it is helpful for people to say it so others realise they're not the only ones thinking it.
- pdimitar 3y ago
  Making one-sided claims is painting a wrong picture. As mentioned in other sibling comments, it can be both things.

rnmmrnm 3y ago

I get hurt by managers messing with my scope every day. It is a struggle :). Because of it I also find solace in open source where I am the boss of everything. But, I don't give up. I pitch my bosses research trails all of the time. 90% they don't hit the mark, mostly because I don't try to conform to the whatever roadmap the product team has laid out. But once in a while my ambition and their plan converge, and this is when I get to play out the really cool stuff I do at my job.

pdimitar 3y ago
Cool, I try to do the same and yeah, my success rate is roughly the same. :)

swatcoder 3y ago

I see the same approach to the craft when people talk about personal projects or their own startup efforts. You seem to have taken the OP's comment very personally, and I'm sorry if you're stuck in a job that forces you to compromise your practice even when you know better. But there's also a (admittedly familiar) problem of a prolonged growth boom flooding the industry with bad engineers that produce fragile work and have poor foundational knowledge.

pdimitar 3y ago
Yes, both can be and are true at the same time. It's not an either/or.

northwest65 3y ago

No, I don't think they do paint a wrong picture, and it is helpful for people to say it so others realise they're not the only ones thinking it.

pdimitar 3y ago
Making one-sided claims is painting a wrong picture. As mentioned in other sibling comments, it can be both things.