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I happen to believe it’s true that a best effort is made to minimize civilian death (you can read about the lengths Israel goes to in order to avoid civilian ca

I happen to believe it’s true that a best effort is made to minimize civilian death (you can read about the lengths Israel goes to in order to avoid civilian casualties, more than any other country, and to such an extent that Hamas takes advantage of these tactics), but it’s also not as load bearing as you suggest. There are rules of engagement and tradeoffs in war (Eye In The Sky is a decent film that focuses on this). There’s still a major distinction between intentionally targeting civilians for torture and death and civilians killed as collateral damage while persuing an enemy combatant.

skulk 3y ago
I'm not going to be able to convince you that what Israel is doing post 10/7 is wrong (nor can I even convince myself entirely). But what I do know is (was) wrong was the attempt to found an ethnostate in the center of a political entity that religiously hates your people. That was monumentally stupid. But now I'm just whining.
ufo 3y ago
I find the statements about best efforts hard to believe, considering that we're talking about the most far-right government Israel ever had, with several cabinet members making statements in favor of removing all Palestinians from the Gaza strip and the left bank, and a prime minister that knows he'll lose his job the moment he stops the hostilities. Today we're faced with the logical impossibility of Israel ordering an "evacuation" from Rafah, with nowhere for those people to go to.
int_19h 3y ago
There's no amount of sophistry that can handwave away the fact that Israel is knowingly killing dozens of civilians for every Hamas member that they kill. And no, this is not accidental. They're explicitly okay with it: https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-cal...
- ignoramous 3y ago
  The ones calling others morally confused are so utterly sure that they are indeed the ones confusing others.
jasonm23 3y ago
This is clear astroturf and you should be ashamed of your bald faced lies in these posts.
- homefree 3y ago
  It’s not astroturf and I’m not ashamed. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean their position isn’t genuinely held.

skulk 3y ago

I'm not going to be able to convince you that what Israel is doing post 10/7 is wrong (nor can I even convince myself entirely). But what I do know is (was) wrong was the attempt to found an ethnostate in the center of a political entity that religiously hates your people. That was monumentally stupid. But now I'm just whining.

ufo 3y ago

I find the statements about best efforts hard to believe, considering that we're talking about the most far-right government Israel ever had, with several cabinet members making statements in favor of removing all Palestinians from the Gaza strip and the left bank, and a prime minister that knows he'll lose his job the moment he stops the hostilities. Today we're faced with the logical impossibility of Israel ordering an "evacuation" from Rafah, with nowhere for those people to go to.

int_19h 3y ago

There's no amount of sophistry that can handwave away the fact that Israel is knowingly killing dozens of civilians for every Hamas member that they kill. And no, this is not accidental. They're explicitly okay with it: https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/ https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-cal...

ignoramous 3y ago
The ones calling others morally confused are so utterly sure that they are indeed the ones confusing others.

jasonm23 3y ago

This is clear astroturf and you should be ashamed of your bald faced lies in these posts.

homefree 3y ago
It’s not astroturf and I’m not ashamed. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t mean their position isn’t genuinely held.