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That's a pretty scathing critique.

by lhnn 14y ago

unimpressive 14y ago
For bonus points, in the actual recording they note that Hypocrites "Smells like thousand year old goat cheese.". which no doubt refers to Stallmans's legendary hygienic practices. [0] Needless to say, the BSD guys aren't really fans. [0]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
- suborbital 14y ago
  I am surprised you didn't bring up monkey gate & security taking a backseat.
- diminish 14y ago
  Yea, most BSD guys I know are also fans of Apple; iOS and Macs on desktop rather than GNU or Linux and Clang is supported by Apple for license reasons.
copx 14y ago
..and a big lie. >Richard felt that this "ports tree" of ours made OpenBSD non-free. He came to our mailing lists and lectured to us specifically, yet he said nothing to the many other vendors who do the same; many of them donate to the FSF and perhaps that has something to do with it. See here for example: http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html Stallman and the FSF apply the same standard everywhere. He rejects Red Hat (a major GNU sponsor) as "non-free" just like OpenBSD, in contrast to what the BSD guys claim. >Richard has personally made sure that all the official GNU software -- including Emacs -- compiles and runs on Windows. What?! Most official GNU software does NOT run on Windows.
- swa14 14y ago
  ">Richard felt that this "ports tree" of ours made OpenBSD non-free. He came to our mailing lists and lectured to us specifically" to complement this story a little. rms had heard from one source or another that OpenBSD was "completely free" too (probably based on their hard and much appreciated work on wifi drivers and blobs), and looked into the matter to see if it could be included in the list of FSF endorsed operating systems (which thus far have only GNU/Linux systems). He found references to non-free software in the ports tree and wrote to the openbsd mailing list to ask for clarifications. There were actually a few saner voices who politely stated that was the intent and that OpenBSD as a project had a different definition of "free" and as such should not be included in the officially endorsed FSF-list. Of course, for the less stable elements, it was a good pretext to scoff and insult the the man. Some even riled on and created a song about it. OpenBSD is a fine operating system, but for a normal person the culture around it can be quiteoffputting.
  - samuel1604 14y ago
    Thanks for the clarification nothing like a out of context FUD!

That's a pretty scathing critique.

by lhnn 14y ago

That's a pretty scathing critique.

For bonus points, in the actual recording they note that Hypocrites "Smells like thousand year old goat cheese.". which no doubt refers to Stallmans's legendary hygienic practices. [0] Needless to say, the BSD guys aren't really fans. [0]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

suborbital 14y ago
I am surprised you didn't bring up monkey gate & security taking a backseat.
diminish 14y ago
Yea, most BSD guys I know are also fans of Apple; iOS and Macs on desktop rather than GNU or Linux and Clang is supported by Apple for license reasons.

copx 14y ago

..and a big lie. >Richard felt that this "ports tree" of ours made OpenBSD non-free. He came to our mailing lists and lectured to us specifically, yet he said nothing to the many other vendors who do the same; many of them donate to the FSF and perhaps that has something to do with it. See here for example: http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html Stallman and the FSF apply the same standard everywhere. He rejects Red Hat (a major GNU sponsor) as "non-free" just like OpenBSD, in contrast to what the BSD guys claim. >Richard has personally made sure that all the official GNU software -- including Emacs -- compiles and runs on Windows. What?! Most official GNU software does NOT run on Windows.

swa14 14y ago
">Richard felt that this "ports tree" of ours made OpenBSD non-free. He came to our mailing lists and lectured to us specifically" to complement this story a little. rms had heard from one source or another that OpenBSD was "completely free" too (probably based on their hard and much appreciated work on wifi drivers and blobs), and looked into the matter to see if it could be included in the list of FSF endorsed operating systems (which thus far have only GNU/Linux systems). He found references to non-free software in the ports tree and wrote to the openbsd mailing list to ask for clarifications. There were actually a few saner voices who politely stated that was the intent and that OpenBSD as a project had a different definition of "free" and as such should not be included in the officially endorsed FSF-list. Of course, for the less stable elements, it was a good pretext to scoff and insult the the man. Some even riled on and created a song about it. OpenBSD is a fine operating system, but for a normal person the culture around it can be quiteoffputting.
- samuel1604 14y ago
  Thanks for the clarification nothing like a out of context FUD!