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> - They are actually here all the time, in great numbers. While this would explain the advancement/crash conflict, wouldn't the vast number of them also likel

> - They are actually here all the time, in great numbers. While this would explain the advancement/crash conflict, wouldn't the vast number of them also likely cause other artefacts, besides crashes? Even in near space, which we observe closely. Also: do you imagine a cloaking tech or dimension travelling for that scenario?

keepamovin 3y ago
I think there's a number of aspects to that, including cloaking, potentially dimension traveling, and other artefacts such as huge numbers of tracks on advanced radar. Definitely they are cloaked, or invisible. Besides the support of corroboration with our hypothesis explaining crashes, this is also supported by inconsistent visual confirmation for objects seen on radar, or FLIR. Sometimes people can see these radar/FLIR tracks with their eyes, sometimes not. People have also reported seeing them fade out, or instantly disappear. Some amount of this invisibility could be due to teleporting, going through subspace, going to another dimension, or something else we don't really understand so well, rather than just optical camouflage. Other artefacts are an interesting aspect, too. In such large numbers, we'd expect them to be picked up very frequently on advanced radars used by Earth's militaries. However, militaries have demonstrated a clear policy of withholding information that arises from these classified sensor platforms in order to protect the secrecy of their capabilities. In other words, they've basically admitted to the public that even if they were detecting them with advanced radar in large numbers, they wouldn't be telling us. If we imagine them moving by teleporting discretely from point to point (with say a maximum jump distance of a few tens of km) rather than moving continuously, it could explain many things about both their anomalous "non interacting, transmedia, high speed, maneuverability", and also that, if they were so crowded, their 'traffic lanes' would also be sparse in motion as they skip large distance by moving discretely.
- lagrange77 3y ago
  While i have no objections to the discrete drive, a conspiracy of the world's militaries seems a little far-fetched to me.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    > a conspiracy of the world's militaries seems a little far-fetched to me Really? Well one way to think of it is no military will reveal tracks only accessible to their most classified radar systems, because all militaries wish to protect the secret capabilities of those systems. If that doesn't suffice for you, we can go a bit deeper haha! :) Perhaps you don't need to use the word "conspiracy" if that makes it hard for you to think about. I know that word has become loaded (CIA invented the term 'conspiracy theorist' apparently as a term of abuse to discredit any who threatened to reveal their secrets), and it's meant to (and indeed seems it can!) cloud thought, but all 'conspiracy' really means is "breathing together": con-spire. But perhaps you can think of it rather like a loosely coordinated mutual self-interest, rather than the tighter collaboration suggested by conspiracy. Whatever the reality may be beyond the classified veil, which may nevertheless surprise your priors, there's precedent for loosely coordinated mutual self-interest in a number of areas, that will also explain the lack of transparency the world's militaries seem to share around discussing and revealing plentiful data about the UFO topic: - there's a classified but revealed international system in place for atomic test notifications between enemy nations, as well as rocket launches, to inadvertently avoid trigger global thermonuclear war. - all nuclear states already 'conspire' to keep the technical and engineering secrets of atomic weapons out of public awareness, to preserve their own advantage (to, erm, annihilate each other ha! :S) - sworn enemy special services / intelligence services often collaborate / interface together at a high level, in secret, in ways that would seem surprising to their populations who only have the picture of spy-vs-spy and enemy-nation Given these pertinent existing realities, it's rather less hard to consider how all militaries would share a common goal of projecting strength and capability (for that is what they are required to do to accomplish their mission of protecting their populations), and that, if all Earth's militaries were confronted with a global threat, which well outpaced their own capabilities, and against which they had no effective defense, and had the choice to be able to A) tell their populations they were outmatched and essentially no longer 'fit for service', or B) keep that embarassing truth secret by any means necessary while continuing to pretend everything was fine, I think you'd likely agree with me that this 'conspiracy of the world's militaries' would rather choose A than admit to B. Would you not? Haha! :) Secondly I think you'd agree that no 'conspiracy' was required in order to keep that so. :) hahaha :)

keepamovin 3y ago

I think there's a number of aspects to that, including cloaking, potentially dimension traveling, and other artefacts such as huge numbers of tracks on advanced radar. Definitely they are cloaked, or invisible. Besides the support of corroboration with our hypothesis explaining crashes, this is also supported by inconsistent visual confirmation for objects seen on radar, or FLIR. Sometimes people can see these radar/FLIR tracks with their eyes, sometimes not. People have also reported seeing them fade out, or instantly disappear. Some amount of this invisibility could be due to teleporting, going through subspace, going to another dimension, or something else we don't really understand so well, rather than just optical camouflage. Other artefacts are an interesting aspect, too. In such large numbers, we'd expect them to be picked up very frequently on advanced radars used by Earth's militaries. However, militaries have demonstrated a clear policy of withholding information that arises from these classified sensor platforms in order to protect the secrecy of their capabilities. In other words, they've basically admitted to the public that even if they were detecting them with advanced radar in large numbers, they wouldn't be telling us. If we imagine them moving by teleporting discretely from point to point (with say a maximum jump distance of a few tens of km) rather than moving continuously, it could explain many things about both their anomalous "non interacting, transmedia, high speed, maneuverability", and also that, if they were so crowded, their 'traffic lanes' would also be sparse in motion as they skip large distance by moving discretely.

lagrange77 3y ago
While i have no objections to the discrete drive, a conspiracy of the world's militaries seems a little far-fetched to me.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  > a conspiracy of the world's militaries seems a little far-fetched to me Really? Well one way to think of it is no military will reveal tracks only accessible to their most classified radar systems, because all militaries wish to protect the secret capabilities of those systems. If that doesn't suffice for you, we can go a bit deeper haha! :) Perhaps you don't need to use the word "conspiracy" if that makes it hard for you to think about. I know that word has become loaded (CIA invented the term 'conspiracy theorist' apparently as a term of abuse to discredit any who threatened to reveal their secrets), and it's meant to (and indeed seems it can!) cloud thought, but all 'conspiracy' really means is "breathing together": con-spire. But perhaps you can think of it rather like a loosely coordinated mutual self-interest, rather than the tighter collaboration suggested by conspiracy. Whatever the reality may be beyond the classified veil, which may nevertheless surprise your priors, there's precedent for loosely coordinated mutual self-interest in a number of areas, that will also explain the lack of transparency the world's militaries seem to share around discussing and revealing plentiful data about the UFO topic: - there's a classified but revealed international system in place for atomic test notifications between enemy nations, as well as rocket launches, to inadvertently avoid trigger global thermonuclear war. - all nuclear states already 'conspire' to keep the technical and engineering secrets of atomic weapons out of public awareness, to preserve their own advantage (to, erm, annihilate each other ha! :S) - sworn enemy special services / intelligence services often collaborate / interface together at a high level, in secret, in ways that would seem surprising to their populations who only have the picture of spy-vs-spy and enemy-nation Given these pertinent existing realities, it's rather less hard to consider how all militaries would share a common goal of projecting strength and capability (for that is what they are required to do to accomplish their mission of protecting their populations), and that, if all Earth's militaries were confronted with a global threat, which well outpaced their own capabilities, and against which they had no effective defense, and had the choice to be able to A) tell their populations they were outmatched and essentially no longer 'fit for service', or B) keep that embarassing truth secret by any means necessary while continuing to pretend everything was fine, I think you'd likely agree with me that this 'conspiracy of the world's militaries' would rather choose A than admit to B. Would you not? Haha! :) Secondly I think you'd agree that no 'conspiracy' was required in order to keep that so. :) hahaha :)