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> Many times maintainers will use open source projects on their resumes, advertise them on forums, give presentations, and then will be antagonistic towards eve

> Many times maintainers will use open source projects on their resumes, advertise them on forums, give presentations, and then will be antagonistic towards even very friendly and objective issues and PRs. Is it different than someone advertising their FAANG's credentials?

bmitc 3y ago
To me, it just sets an implicit expectation of "this is something I support and maintain for my and others' uses" unless otherwise stated.
- xbar 3y ago
  > There is a culture of entitlement surrounding open source which drives "expectations" from people who give stuff away for free and it's maddening.
  - bmitc 3y ago
    Again, expecting a product to be supported unless otherwise stated is not entitlement. Expecting support is not the same as demanding or even expecting people to work for free or at all. What it does mean is that issues and PRs are treated professionally and without antagonistic behavior. Once again, if you feel every contributor is entitled, don't open source your project or disable issues and make it very clear issues and contributions are not welcome.
    - pydry 3y ago
      >Again, expecting a product to be supported unless otherwise stated is not entitlement. It 100% is entitlement, and open source is not a "product" because you don't pay for it. The developers of open source owe you nothing.
      - bmitc 3y ago
        > The developers of open source owe you nothing. For the umpteenth time in this discussion, no one said they did. And please note what I implicitly defined as supported, which is basically that a non-antagonistic conversation can be had about issues and contributions. That is not entitlement.
        pydry 3y ago
        >no one said they did. Actually you did when you said, among other things: >To me, it just sets an implicit expectation of "this is something I support" >Again, expecting a product to be supported unless otherwise stated is not entitlement If you describing something you expect, you are describing something that you feel that you are owed.
        bmitc 3y ago
        Expectations and entitlement are not the same thing. Why even participate in open source if everyone seems to hate it and be on edge?

bmitc 3y ago

To me, it just sets an implicit expectation of "this is something I support and maintain for my and others' uses" unless otherwise stated.

xbar 3y ago
> There is a culture of entitlement surrounding open source which drives "expectations" from people who give stuff away for free and it's maddening.
- bmitc 3y ago
  Again, expecting a product to be supported unless otherwise stated is not entitlement. Expecting support is not the same as demanding or even expecting people to work for free or at all. What it does mean is that issues and PRs are treated professionally and without antagonistic behavior. Once again, if you feel every contributor is entitled, don't open source your project or disable issues and make it very clear issues and contributions are not welcome.
  - pydry 3y ago
    >Again, expecting a product to be supported unless otherwise stated is not entitlement. It 100% is entitlement, and open source is not a "product" because you don't pay for it. The developers of open source owe you nothing.
    - bmitc 3y ago
      > The developers of open source owe you nothing. For the umpteenth time in this discussion, no one said they did. And please note what I implicitly defined as supported, which is basically that a non-antagonistic conversation can be had about issues and contributions. That is not entitlement.
      - pydry 3y ago
        >no one said they did. Actually you did when you said, among other things: >To me, it just sets an implicit expectation of "this is something I support" >Again, expecting a product to be supported unless otherwise stated is not entitlement If you describing something you expect, you are describing something that you feel that you are owed.
        bmitc 3y ago
        Expectations and entitlement are not the same thing. Why even participate in open source if everyone seems to hate it and be on edge?