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> canned foods I would love to understand how food placed into a can and boiled to pasteurize it is highly processed

by tekla 3y ago

throwup238 3y ago
You’re thinking of canned fruit and vegetables used to preserve them and not products like SPAM and Vienna sausages which are highly processed mystery meats. There are lots of highly processed canned foods you probably don’t even notice unless you know what you’re looking for.
- LegibleCrimson 3y ago
  I don't think of that as covering "most canned foods", though. Most canned foods are pretty ordinary canned foods, and aren't highly processed.
  - throwup238 3y ago
    I think that depends entirely on your region, diet, culture, etc. here in California the distribution varries a lot between higher end stores like Trader Joes, lower end ones like Aldi or Grocery Outlet and culture specific ones like Ranch 99.
- tekla 3y ago
  Ok, I see the lack of knowledge here What is Spam? https://www.livescience.com/32813-hormel-spam-no-mystery-meat.html https://www.livescience.com/32813-hormel-spam-no-mystery-mea... Ingredients: Pork with ham meat added, salt, water, potato starch, sugar and sodium nitrite. The pork is shoulder meat. What is in that list that is highly objectionable? Its mixed together, canned and boiled so that its preserved and ready to eat out of the can cold. Same with Vienna Sausage: MECHANICALLY SEPARATED CHICKEN, WATER, SALT, CORN SYRUP. CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF: BEEF, PORK, DEXTROSE, NATURAL FLAVORS, SODIUM NITRITE, GARLIC POWDER. BROTH: CHICKEN BROTH. I dont like the sugar in there but whatever. What is in there that is objectionable? I'm not saying that these aren't calorie dense and high in salt, but that was the POINT.
  - throwup238 3y ago
    What do you think “processed food” is?
    - tekla 3y ago
      Diversion but OK. Processed is anything that requires prep work outside of eating it off a tree or killing a animal and eating it raw. So I answered your question. Can you answer mine?
      - throwup238 3y ago
        What do you think “highly processed” is? I find the process used to make spam objectionable. You know, as in processed foods? And ham, which is itself a processed ingredient. It’s fully cured and cooked pork. I don’t understand how that’s not highly processed. The only level below that is ultraprocessed foods like cheetohs and dorritos.
        tekla 3y ago
        Ham is a processed pork product that is cured using salt or smoking. I find it strange that you say people should prepare home meals, but are against historically common ways of having food TO eat. Kimchi, Sauerkraut, Blood Sausages, Hakarl. Pickles, Smoked Fish, Canned Veggies, Yogurt, Cheese, Ham are all processed products, made with lots of chemicals and designed to store for months or years without cold. Are all of these historically important foods objectionable to you? Would SPAM be OK if it removed the ham? Its literally pork, salt and potato starch. I could make SPAM at home with a 5 minute grocery store run to buy salt, pork and starch, and sodium nitrate (or celery) So once, again, what is your objection to this processing? Do you consider boiled pork mince, salt, celery juice, and starch excessive processing?
        throwup238 3y ago
        > Kimchi, Sauerkraut, Blood Sausages, Hakarl. Pickles, Smoked Fish, Canned Veggies, Yogurt, Cheese, Ham are all processed products, made with lots of chemicals and designed to store for months or years without cold. Are all of these historically important foods objectionable to you? You were the one arguing that SPAM isn't highly processed food in a can, that's what my objection was. I consider every one of those foods you listed processed in some way as is most of the food we eat because cooking is processing. Grinding is processing. Chopping is processing. All of them have tradeoffs in nutrition, texture, taste, and preservation. You seem to have taken it personally, as if I'm making some sort of judgement on your diet. I don't care, I'm done with this nonsense.

> canned foods I would love to understand how food placed into a can and boiled to pasteurize it is highly processed

by tekla 3y ago

> canned foods I would love to understand how food placed into a can and boiled to pasteurize it is highly processed

You’re thinking of canned fruit and vegetables used to preserve them and not products like SPAM and Vienna sausages which are highly processed mystery meats. There are lots of highly processed canned foods you probably don’t even notice unless you know what you’re looking for.

LegibleCrimson 3y ago
I don't think of that as covering "most canned foods", though. Most canned foods are pretty ordinary canned foods, and aren't highly processed.
- throwup238 3y ago
  I think that depends entirely on your region, diet, culture, etc. here in California the distribution varries a lot between higher end stores like Trader Joes, lower end ones like Aldi or Grocery Outlet and culture specific ones like Ranch 99.
tekla 3y ago
Ok, I see the lack of knowledge here What is Spam? https://www.livescience.com/32813-hormel-spam-no-mystery-meat.html https://www.livescience.com/32813-hormel-spam-no-mystery-mea... Ingredients: Pork with ham meat added, salt, water, potato starch, sugar and sodium nitrite. The pork is shoulder meat. What is in that list that is highly objectionable? Its mixed together, canned and boiled so that its preserved and ready to eat out of the can cold. Same with Vienna Sausage: MECHANICALLY SEPARATED CHICKEN, WATER, SALT, CORN SYRUP. CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF: BEEF, PORK, DEXTROSE, NATURAL FLAVORS, SODIUM NITRITE, GARLIC POWDER. BROTH: CHICKEN BROTH. I dont like the sugar in there but whatever. What is in there that is objectionable? I'm not saying that these aren't calorie dense and high in salt, but that was the POINT.
- throwup238 3y ago
  What do you think “processed food” is?
  - tekla 3y ago
    Diversion but OK. Processed is anything that requires prep work outside of eating it off a tree or killing a animal and eating it raw. So I answered your question. Can you answer mine?
    - throwup238 3y ago
      What do you think “highly processed” is? I find the process used to make spam objectionable. You know, as in processed foods? And ham, which is itself a processed ingredient. It’s fully cured and cooked pork. I don’t understand how that’s not highly processed. The only level below that is ultraprocessed foods like cheetohs and dorritos.
      - tekla 3y ago
        Ham is a processed pork product that is cured using salt or smoking. I find it strange that you say people should prepare home meals, but are against historically common ways of having food TO eat. Kimchi, Sauerkraut, Blood Sausages, Hakarl. Pickles, Smoked Fish, Canned Veggies, Yogurt, Cheese, Ham are all processed products, made with lots of chemicals and designed to store for months or years without cold. Are all of these historically important foods objectionable to you? Would SPAM be OK if it removed the ham? Its literally pork, salt and potato starch. I could make SPAM at home with a 5 minute grocery store run to buy salt, pork and starch, and sodium nitrate (or celery) So once, again, what is your objection to this processing? Do you consider boiled pork mince, salt, celery juice, and starch excessive processing?
        throwup238 3y ago
        > Kimchi, Sauerkraut, Blood Sausages, Hakarl. Pickles, Smoked Fish, Canned Veggies, Yogurt, Cheese, Ham are all processed products, made with lots of chemicals and designed to store for months or years without cold. Are all of these historically important foods objectionable to you? You were the one arguing that SPAM isn't highly processed food in a can, that's what my objection was. I consider every one of those foods you listed processed in some way as is most of the food we eat because cooking is processing. Grinding is processing. Chopping is processing. All of them have tradeoffs in nutrition, texture, taste, and preservation. You seem to have taken it personally, as if I'm making some sort of judgement on your diet. I don't care, I'm done with this nonsense.