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Please stop generalizing. As a an european you definitely CAN be fired here for political beliefs if they impact work. Actually you can be fired for anything. C

Please stop generalizing. As a an european you definitely CAN be fired here for political beliefs if they impact work. Actually you can be fired for anything. Come to Austria and see. You're not allowed to bring your political beliefs at work, which IMHO is best for everyone. Keep them at home/your private time. Same for religion, sexuality, etc. Your workplace is not your market square for your personal beliefs and activism.

truckerbill 3y ago
This behaviour is itself inherently good for authoritarian regimes though. You can’t escape politics
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Yes you can. Nobody's stopping you from engaging in politics outsider of work(go vote, write to your congressman, go protest, etc), and nobody'd forcing you to work at a company that does things you disagree with. But at work, you go to do work in exchange for money. The publicly listed company must do what its shareholders want, it has no obligation to do what its employees want, and as long as the company doesn't break any local government laws and employment laws, then it's in the green. You disagreeing with the company's direction is your own matter to deal with, as in, you are free to walk since the company isn't forcing you to work there against your will. You have no idea what authoritarianism actually means.
  - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
    They mean that politics and ideology are what your boss is going by to determine whether to give you or your coworker a raise. Or at the least it plays a large part. Even if you dont talk about politics you are subject to the forces of it.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      But politics is changed at the voting booths or via engagement with your lawmakers, not wit your employer. Your employer will only follow the laws set by the state, not by the employees (unless we're talking about a cooperative which Google isn't)
      - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
        Employees or employers political views can be affected by others. I realize you don't want to encourage people discussing politics in the workspace and it being 100% ineffective would improve your arguments.
      - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
        Also, consider the visibility of their protest after getting fired and discussions like this happening across the web. And no, not all of those discussions end with "keep politics out of f work" and instead focus on how googlers are or arent complicit in powering genocide in t he e project presentation interrupted.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        > instead focus on how googlers are or arent complicit in powering genocide in t he e project presentation interrupted Yes, and Googlers who are against that can put a stop that by quitting their jobs in protest. You can't go around and publicly slander your company calling them genocidal, while still being employed there, just because they don't do what you'd want them to do, without expecting repercussions when you don't follow your contractual agreement. You are free to do that after you resign and no longer have the responsibility to follow your contract, which probably stated your job is to be a coding cog, not a PR public speaker for the company policies. Even in Europe(the German speaking countries), if you publicly accuse your employer of causing genocide, you'd better bring some hard proof to back that up(other than your emotional feelings), otherwise you can not only get fired on the spot but also sued for libel/slander and have to pay defamation damages.
  - int_19h 3y ago
    And that is how you get a society that is effectively run by sociopaths.
  - truckerbill 3y ago
    If you were to read a some critiques of neoliberalism you would understand how free market utopianism can lead to authoritarianism/is used as a cover for it. The idea of the absolute duty to shareholders is newer that you would think. It’s an ideological standpoint. So already you are quoting a political line Regulatory capture and monopoly are both things shareholders might want but are bad for society. ‘Just doing your job’ doesn’t cut it, we’re are part of a community and should feel a civic duty. That’s what i mean
pimeys 3y ago
Yeah, you should definitely also stop talking about your kids at work. Nobody cares about your straight lifestyle.
- Retric 3y ago
  You can definitionally be fired for giving excessive details about your strait lifestyle. Also, anyone can have kids via marriage, adoption, etc.
- flumpcakes 3y ago
  You assume only "straight" people can have kids? Sexuality != having kids.
- pixxel 3y ago
  Kids are everything, and the discussion of children is healthy and normal.
  - pimeys 3y ago
    Cock is everything.
    - sandspar 3y ago
      I'm sorry but kids are more important and valuable than the sex life itself.
matthewmacleod 3y ago
You're not allowed to bring your political beliefs at work, which IMHO is best for everyone. Everybody does bring their political beliefs to work, and it manifests in things like how they interact with their colleagues and customers. Choosing whether or not to provide equal benefits to same-sex couples is a political decision. Providing goods or services to an authoritarian regime is a political act. Your maternity policy is a political act. Even your dress code can be a political act. What you really mean is that people shouldn’t be bringing to work views outside of a small range you deem uncontroversial.
- sandspar 3y ago
  Ugh. Why is it that political junkies try to involve everyone else in their game? Most people just want to have a normal life and not get wrapped up in your meta-game about politics. Even the portentousness of calling them "political acts". That impressive sounding two-word phrase that everyone in the political game copies each other by using. Ugh. "You can't play your favorite game because you're all playing in my favorite game."
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Everybody does bring their political beliefs to work, and it manifests in things like how they interact with their colleagues and customers. Not it doesn't. How people interact with others at work is a function of their personality and professionalism at their job, not a function of their political color. If someone at work is being a dick, it only shows that he's a dick, but political junkies will try to justify that it must be because he's of the opposite political beliefs they have, because in their head "all those people behave like that".

truckerbill 3y ago

This behaviour is itself inherently good for authoritarian regimes though. You can’t escape politics

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Yes you can. Nobody's stopping you from engaging in politics outsider of work(go vote, write to your congressman, go protest, etc), and nobody'd forcing you to work at a company that does things you disagree with. But at work, you go to do work in exchange for money. The publicly listed company must do what its shareholders want, it has no obligation to do what its employees want, and as long as the company doesn't break any local government laws and employment laws, then it's in the green. You disagreeing with the company's direction is your own matter to deal with, as in, you are free to walk since the company isn't forcing you to work there against your will. You have no idea what authoritarianism actually means.
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  They mean that politics and ideology are what your boss is going by to determine whether to give you or your coworker a raise. Or at the least it plays a large part. Even if you dont talk about politics you are subject to the forces of it.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    But politics is changed at the voting booths or via engagement with your lawmakers, not wit your employer. Your employer will only follow the laws set by the state, not by the employees (unless we're talking about a cooperative which Google isn't)
    - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
      Employees or employers political views can be affected by others. I realize you don't want to encourage people discussing politics in the workspace and it being 100% ineffective would improve your arguments.
    - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
      Also, consider the visibility of their protest after getting fired and discussions like this happening across the web. And no, not all of those discussions end with "keep politics out of f work" and instead focus on how googlers are or arent complicit in powering genocide in t he e project presentation interrupted.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        > instead focus on how googlers are or arent complicit in powering genocide in t he e project presentation interrupted Yes, and Googlers who are against that can put a stop that by quitting their jobs in protest. You can't go around and publicly slander your company calling them genocidal, while still being employed there, just because they don't do what you'd want them to do, without expecting repercussions when you don't follow your contractual agreement. You are free to do that after you resign and no longer have the responsibility to follow your contract, which probably stated your job is to be a coding cog, not a PR public speaker for the company policies. Even in Europe(the German speaking countries), if you publicly accuse your employer of causing genocide, you'd better bring some hard proof to back that up(other than your emotional feelings), otherwise you can not only get fired on the spot but also sued for libel/slander and have to pay defamation damages.
- int_19h 3y ago
  And that is how you get a society that is effectively run by sociopaths.
- truckerbill 3y ago
  If you were to read a some critiques of neoliberalism you would understand how free market utopianism can lead to authoritarianism/is used as a cover for it. The idea of the absolute duty to shareholders is newer that you would think. It’s an ideological standpoint. So already you are quoting a political line Regulatory capture and monopoly are both things shareholders might want but are bad for society. ‘Just doing your job’ doesn’t cut it, we’re are part of a community and should feel a civic duty. That’s what i mean

pimeys 3y ago

Yeah, you should definitely also stop talking about your kids at work. Nobody cares about your straight lifestyle.

Retric 3y ago
You can definitionally be fired for giving excessive details about your strait lifestyle. Also, anyone can have kids via marriage, adoption, etc.
flumpcakes 3y ago
You assume only "straight" people can have kids? Sexuality != having kids.
pixxel 3y ago
Kids are everything, and the discussion of children is healthy and normal.
- pimeys 3y ago
  Cock is everything.
  - sandspar 3y ago
    I'm sorry but kids are more important and valuable than the sex life itself.

matthewmacleod 3y ago

You're not allowed to bring your political beliefs at work, which IMHO is best for everyone. Everybody does bring their political beliefs to work, and it manifests in things like how they interact with their colleagues and customers. Choosing whether or not to provide equal benefits to same-sex couples is a political decision. Providing goods or services to an authoritarian regime is a political act. Your maternity policy is a political act. Even your dress code can be a political act. What you really mean is that people shouldn’t be bringing to work views outside of a small range you deem uncontroversial.

sandspar 3y ago
Ugh. Why is it that political junkies try to involve everyone else in their game? Most people just want to have a normal life and not get wrapped up in your meta-game about politics. Even the portentousness of calling them "political acts". That impressive sounding two-word phrase that everyone in the political game copies each other by using. Ugh. "You can't play your favorite game because you're all playing in my favorite game."
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>Everybody does bring their political beliefs to work, and it manifests in things like how they interact with their colleagues and customers. Not it doesn't. How people interact with others at work is a function of their personality and professionalism at their job, not a function of their political color. If someone at work is being a dick, it only shows that he's a dick, but political junkies will try to justify that it must be because he's of the opposite political beliefs they have, because in their head "all those people behave like that".