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One of those occasions I agree with Tyler Cowen: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/03/the-new-uaps-report.html https://marginalrevolution.

One of those occasions I agree with Tyler Cowen: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/03/the-new-uaps-report.html https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/03/th... > What you won’t find in this report is any mention of Nimitz, Gimbal, or any of the other more puzzling cases about observed objects — on multiple sensors with independent verifications — that defy current explanation. > So overall there is no reason to revise whatever your current views might be, at least provided those views were not the crazy ones in the first place.

Cacti 3y ago
So if you believed the plasma is from UFOs and not just another black project, you are welcome to keep believing this? That makes zero sense. I would imagine an alien civilization playing tag with the USN would have shown up on other locations or observations. The fact that these observations associated with the USN aren’t collaborated anywhere else in this reported is a good indication they are not from aliens, and one SHOULD absolutely revise ones opinion about the reddit hoopla over some plasma weapons. Which was, frankly, always wildly unsupported. The only way that this report is unrelated to the USN stuff is if you choose to believe it’s unrelated. In reality this is just yet more evidence that aliens aren’t like hanging out off the coast of California. For which there has never been any evidence, unless you count speculation as evidence. Repeat after me: there are no little green men playing flashlight tag off of southern california. The USN is doing weapons tests. The haven’t confirmed it because, you know, it’s a black project.
- h2odragon 3y ago
  How about this interpretation? There's so much bullshit being spewed by all participants in the debate that finding out any Truth is going to require personal effort beyond what I care to expend. Therefore, I will continue to believe (on this subject) that I Do Not Know wtf is going on. The best part of the "UFO" debate, for me, is the flames and the fervor of all these folks who really, really need to convince others that they're right. On both sides. And What if they are? It still ain't gonna patch the roof or plow the back 40. (I'm in the "crazy views" section of the audience, i guess)
  - Cacti 3y ago
    I hate to break it to you but the amount of bullshit on each side is not even remotely equally distributed. There is an extraordinary claim with zero hard evidence. And there is a mountain of claimed evidence, all of which has been debunked. If we ran into aliens, there wouldn’t be any doubt about it for more than a week or two. You may find both sides plausible, but the difference between plausible and likely is the difference between superstition and science. Aliens are plausible. But so are fairies, faster than light travel, and string theory. That doesn’t mean they’re likely.
    - blooalien 3y ago
      > That doesn’t mean they’re likely. Oh, but they are indeed "likely" (statistically speaking, considering the vastness of the Universe, and this planet being proof positive of life existing in that vastness), but aliens visiting here seems much less likely to me (again, given the vastness of the Universe). > “Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” ― Douglas Adams
      - Cacti 3y ago
        We were talking specifically about aliens visiting California. Not the existence of life elsewhere in the universe.
        blooalien 3y ago
        I find it extremely doubtful aliens are visiting Earth, due partly to many of the same reasons others here mention, but mostly because of the vastness of distances involved and the whole "speed of light" situation as we understand it thus far. Of course there's a whole mess of "quantum" stuff we still don't understand which could potentially make me entirely wrong about that, and there could be aliens "popping in" (and out) on a regular basis for all I know. I'm just a teensy speck of barely conscious "meat" in all this giant Universe. What do I know? Very little, really... ;)
krapp 3y ago
While it's true that the report doesn't specifically mention each reported UAP incident like Nimitz or Gimbal by name, the conclusions reached by the report do imply that such incidents were studied and considered, and said conclusion is that they do not, in fact, defy current explanation: AARO assesses that the incidents of UAP sightings reported to USG organizations, the claims that some constitute extraterrestrial craft, and the claims that the USG has secured and is experimenting on alien technology, most likely are the result of a range of cultural, political, and technological factors. AARO bases this conclusion on the aggregate findings of all USG investigations to date, the misinterpretation of all reported named sensitive programs, the lack of empirical evidence to support the USG reverse-engineering narrative, and AARO’s assessment that the piece of metal alleged to be recovered from an alien spacecraft in the late 1940s is ordinary, of terrestrial origin, and possesses no exceptional qualities.
mike_hearn 3y ago
Probably because Gimbal and other related videos were debunked years ago. The key is even in the name of the original video file: the strange apparent accelerations are caused by the camera rotating to avoid gimbal lock, not unphysical capabilities.

Cacti 3y ago

So if you believed the plasma is from UFOs and not just another black project, you are welcome to keep believing this? That makes zero sense. I would imagine an alien civilization playing tag with the USN would have shown up on other locations or observations. The fact that these observations associated with the USN aren’t collaborated anywhere else in this reported is a good indication they are not from aliens, and one SHOULD absolutely revise ones opinion about the reddit hoopla over some plasma weapons. Which was, frankly, always wildly unsupported. The only way that this report is unrelated to the USN stuff is if you choose to believe it’s unrelated. In reality this is just yet more evidence that aliens aren’t like hanging out off the coast of California. For which there has never been any evidence, unless you count speculation as evidence. Repeat after me: there are no little green men playing flashlight tag off of southern california. The USN is doing weapons tests. The haven’t confirmed it because, you know, it’s a black project.

h2odragon 3y ago
How about this interpretation? There's so much bullshit being spewed by all participants in the debate that finding out any Truth is going to require personal effort beyond what I care to expend. Therefore, I will continue to believe (on this subject) that I Do Not Know wtf is going on. The best part of the "UFO" debate, for me, is the flames and the fervor of all these folks who really, really need to convince others that they're right. On both sides. And What if they are? It still ain't gonna patch the roof or plow the back 40. (I'm in the "crazy views" section of the audience, i guess)
- Cacti 3y ago
  I hate to break it to you but the amount of bullshit on each side is not even remotely equally distributed. There is an extraordinary claim with zero hard evidence. And there is a mountain of claimed evidence, all of which has been debunked. If we ran into aliens, there wouldn’t be any doubt about it for more than a week or two. You may find both sides plausible, but the difference between plausible and likely is the difference between superstition and science. Aliens are plausible. But so are fairies, faster than light travel, and string theory. That doesn’t mean they’re likely.
  - blooalien 3y ago
    > That doesn’t mean they’re likely. Oh, but they are indeed "likely" (statistically speaking, considering the vastness of the Universe, and this planet being proof positive of life existing in that vastness), but aliens visiting here seems much less likely to me (again, given the vastness of the Universe). > “Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” ― Douglas Adams
    - Cacti 3y ago
      We were talking specifically about aliens visiting California. Not the existence of life elsewhere in the universe.
      - blooalien 3y ago
        I find it extremely doubtful aliens are visiting Earth, due partly to many of the same reasons others here mention, but mostly because of the vastness of distances involved and the whole "speed of light" situation as we understand it thus far. Of course there's a whole mess of "quantum" stuff we still don't understand which could potentially make me entirely wrong about that, and there could be aliens "popping in" (and out) on a regular basis for all I know. I'm just a teensy speck of barely conscious "meat" in all this giant Universe. What do I know? Very little, really... ;)

krapp 3y ago

While it's true that the report doesn't specifically mention each reported UAP incident like Nimitz or Gimbal by name, the conclusions reached by the report do imply that such incidents were studied and considered, and said conclusion is that they do not, in fact, defy current explanation: AARO assesses that the incidents of UAP sightings reported to USG organizations, the claims that some constitute extraterrestrial craft, and the claims that the USG has secured and is experimenting on alien technology, most likely are the result of a range of cultural, political, and technological factors. AARO bases this conclusion on the aggregate findings of all USG investigations to date, the misinterpretation of all reported named sensitive programs, the lack of empirical evidence to support the USG reverse-engineering narrative, and AARO’s assessment that the piece of metal alleged to be recovered from an alien spacecraft in the late 1940s is ordinary, of terrestrial origin, and possesses no exceptional qualities.

mike_hearn 3y ago

Probably because Gimbal and other related videos were debunked years ago. The key is even in the name of the original video file: the strange apparent accelerations are caused by the camera rotating to avoid gimbal lock, not unphysical capabilities.