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Your argumentation is a form of damage control. Just like modern neo-Nazis either downplay, minimize, or try to justify atrocities committed by the Nazi regime

Your argumentation is a form of damage control. Just like modern neo-Nazis either downplay, minimize, or try to justify atrocities committed by the Nazi regime you try to downplay, minimize or justify atrocities committed by the Israeli regime. The neo-Nazis say that the number of victims of the Holocaust is grossly overstated. You will say that there is no grounds for accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza. The neo-Nazis say that ordinary Germans had no idea about the concentration camps. You will say that ordinary Jewish Israelis do not revel in Gaza's destruction. Neo-Nazis spreads the myth of the clean Wehrmacht (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht), just like you will spread the myth of the clean IDF. Neo-Nazis downplay statements from leading Nazi leaders just like you downplay statements from leading Israeli leaders. They say "Yeah, Hitler said he wanted to exterminate Jews but he didn't mean it!" and you say "Yeah, Gallant said Gaza should be starved but he didn't mean it!" While Golan is a minister without a portfolio, she wouldn't be in her position if she was not a popular politician or if her views were not aligned with those of the rest of the government. And she certainly has power to affect government policy. Although these ministers may be "whacky" to you the very fact that they are ministers prove that they aren't wacky to most Jewish Israelis. After all, they were elected. Children are starving to death in Gaza and your country is on trial for genocide. While you try to excuse these crimes and justify calls for genocide (Amalek). Whine about anti-Semitism all you want, in my eyes you are nothing but an Israeli neo-Nazi. You have learned nothing from history and had you been German you would have justified the Nazi crimes too.

YZF 3y ago
This honestly does not deserve a reply. Your argument is that Israelis are Nazis and therefore Israelis are Nazis. You refuse to entertain the possibility that the literal Nazis here are the Hamas and their supporters despite all the evidence and their rhetoric saying so. Your comparison of Israel to Nazis is disgusting, ignorant and antisemitic. You're taking natural emotional responses when your people are brutally raped, mutilated, kidnapped, slaughtered in their homes and comparing it to the deliberate calculated murder of 6 million Jews that did nothing to the Germans over years. EDIT: You are the one who is "downplay, minimize, or try to justify atrocities committed by the Nazi regime". What does that make you by your own definition? A lot of people have died, I'm not happy about it. There's been a lot of destruction. I blame Hamas for starting the war. There are starving children, yes. These are nothing compared to the Nazis. Nothing. Israel is within its rights to wage this war, it has good reasons, it is persecuting it within the norms for similar wars. It is not committing genocide and "your country is on trial for genocide" is bullshit and you know it.
- bjourne 3y ago
  No, the argument is that Israeli Jews are acting exactly like Germans did during the Nazi era. They either don't care or they cheer on the slaughter of innocent civilians. The destruction of Gaza is more complete than the destruction of Dresden during WWI or of Warsaw after the ghetto uprising. Yet more than half of all Jewish Israelis think their army is using too little force! This and many other frightening statistics indicate that Jewish Israelis are just as genocidal as the Germans were or the Hutsi. The difference is that Jewish Israelis have access to contrarian views. The Germans and Rwandans had no free press and no internet to access alternative opinions on. That the Jewish Israelis have, but by and large still choose fascism and murder is despicable. > You're taking natural emotional responses This bullshit makes you complicit. You're not in uniform, perhaps, but you are here online debate-lording your way to the last word. The Spanish government did not call for genocide after the 2004 Madrid attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings), nor did the French government after the 2015 Paris attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks). Neither Spain nor France took revenge on the Islamists by carpet-bombing civilians. > Israel is within its rights to wage this war, it has good reasons, it is persecuting it within the norms for similar wars. It is not committing genocide and "your country is on trial for genocide" is bullshit and you know it. No, I don't know it and neither does the court that decided to accept the case. No, Israel is not "persecuting it within the norms for similar wars". It currently has displaced almost all Gazans, destroyed over 50% of all buildings (that much more than Japan and Germany during WWII), and is starving children to death. If you can't see how fucking evil that is, you are a lost cause.
  - bjourne 3y ago
    Sorry, this was harsh. HN does not allow you to edit comments otherwise I would.

YZF 3y ago

This honestly does not deserve a reply. Your argument is that Israelis are Nazis and therefore Israelis are Nazis. You refuse to entertain the possibility that the literal Nazis here are the Hamas and their supporters despite all the evidence and their rhetoric saying so. Your comparison of Israel to Nazis is disgusting, ignorant and antisemitic. You're taking natural emotional responses when your people are brutally raped, mutilated, kidnapped, slaughtered in their homes and comparing it to the deliberate calculated murder of 6 million Jews that did nothing to the Germans over years. EDIT: You are the one who is "downplay, minimize, or try to justify atrocities committed by the Nazi regime". What does that make you by your own definition? A lot of people have died, I'm not happy about it. There's been a lot of destruction. I blame Hamas for starting the war. There are starving children, yes. These are nothing compared to the Nazis. Nothing. Israel is within its rights to wage this war, it has good reasons, it is persecuting it within the norms for similar wars. It is not committing genocide and "your country is on trial for genocide" is bullshit and you know it.

bjourne 3y ago
No, the argument is that Israeli Jews are acting exactly like Germans did during the Nazi era. They either don't care or they cheer on the slaughter of innocent civilians. The destruction of Gaza is more complete than the destruction of Dresden during WWI or of Warsaw after the ghetto uprising. Yet more than half of all Jewish Israelis think their army is using too little force! This and many other frightening statistics indicate that Jewish Israelis are just as genocidal as the Germans were or the Hutsi. The difference is that Jewish Israelis have access to contrarian views. The Germans and Rwandans had no free press and no internet to access alternative opinions on. That the Jewish Israelis have, but by and large still choose fascism and murder is despicable. > You're taking natural emotional responses This bullshit makes you complicit. You're not in uniform, perhaps, but you are here online debate-lording your way to the last word. The Spanish government did not call for genocide after the 2004 Madrid attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings), nor did the French government after the 2015 Paris attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks). Neither Spain nor France took revenge on the Islamists by carpet-bombing civilians. > Israel is within its rights to wage this war, it has good reasons, it is persecuting it within the norms for similar wars. It is not committing genocide and "your country is on trial for genocide" is bullshit and you know it. No, I don't know it and neither does the court that decided to accept the case. No, Israel is not "persecuting it within the norms for similar wars". It currently has displaced almost all Gazans, destroyed over 50% of all buildings (that much more than Japan and Germany during WWII), and is starving children to death. If you can't see how fucking evil that is, you are a lost cause.
- bjourne 3y ago
  Sorry, this was harsh. HN does not allow you to edit comments otherwise I would.