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Ordered list of reasons I don't believe anything worthwhile will happen: 1. Boeing is a huge defence contractor with both civil and military products sold worl

by Dah00n 3y ago

Ordered list of reasons I don't believe anything worthwhile will happen: 1. Boeing is a huge defence contractor with both civil and military products sold worldwide. A big loss to Boeing will be seen as a big loss to American hegemony. 2. GOTO 1

Iulioh 3y ago
>Ordered list of reasons I don't believe anything worthwhile will happen ---------------- You can still cut a few heads, the hydra has plenty. What I'm wondering, could this lead to the government forcing Boeing to "be less profitable"? At the end of the day that's the question.
andy_ppp 3y ago
Actually you could argue having one of your biggest defence contractors behave like this is a bigger loss to American power than holding their feet to the fire and trying to develop a more engineering focused culture.
TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
> A big loss to Boeing will be seen as a big loss to American hegemony I mean if USA will decide to isolate itself as trend suggest, then they will lose that hegemony anyway. So at least they could have safe planes
- forkerenok 3y ago
  Are you referring to Trump's rhetoric? I think that would "only" affect the broader foreign policy. My take is that arms trade is a good business (my assumption) and unprincipled foreign policy could see more indiscriminate trading taking place. I.e. the opposite effect.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    And what's the point of having US weapons, when USA won't give you ammunition because it decided it would be escalatory? Swiss arms industry is having same problem, but there it is stemming from neutrality of Swiss government.
    - forkerenok 3y ago
      Ok, it seems you had a different angle in mind. > Swiss arms industry is having same problem, but there it is stemming from neutrality of Swiss government. This is interesting. Any good references to read up on the topic?
      - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
        basically whole Gepard ammunition to Ukraine banned by Swiss, eventually manufactured by Rheinmetall https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/re-export-ban-beginning-of-end-for-swiss-defence-firms/48294436 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/re-export-ban-beginnin...
hef19898 3y ago
You forgot one thing: Boeing is not only under FAA and US scrutiny, all their processes and planes are certified by EASA, and others, as well. The B737 Max crashes alread harmed the trust between EASA and FAA, if nothing happens now, EASA might very well take seperate action. I have a hunch Boeing doesn't want that. Edit: There is also a couple of high ranking people that are "holders" of those certifications, Design Organisation Approval and Production Organisation Approval in EASA parlance. Forgot the exactvtitle of those people, but usually they aee at least VP level, sometimes even C-level and always a seperate one from Quality. They are vetted by the national authorities and sign to confirm their obligation, incl. legal, to adhere to the stabdards and do everything to meet those. In Europe, negligence of this can lead to criminal prosecution and jail time. No idea how this is done under FAA regulations. Boeing peopably doesn't fall under EASA jurisdiction in that regard so, having not operations in Europe.
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by Dah00n 3y ago

Iulioh 3y ago

>Ordered list of reasons I don't believe anything worthwhile will happen ---------------- You can still cut a few heads, the hydra has plenty. What I'm wondering, could this lead to the government forcing Boeing to "be less profitable"? At the end of the day that's the question.

andy_ppp 3y ago

Actually you could argue having one of your biggest defence contractors behave like this is a bigger loss to American power than holding their feet to the fire and trying to develop a more engineering focused culture.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago

> A big loss to Boeing will be seen as a big loss to American hegemony I mean if USA will decide to isolate itself as trend suggest, then they will lose that hegemony anyway. So at least they could have safe planes

forkerenok 3y ago
Are you referring to Trump's rhetoric? I think that would "only" affect the broader foreign policy. My take is that arms trade is a good business (my assumption) and unprincipled foreign policy could see more indiscriminate trading taking place. I.e. the opposite effect.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  And what's the point of having US weapons, when USA won't give you ammunition because it decided it would be escalatory? Swiss arms industry is having same problem, but there it is stemming from neutrality of Swiss government.
  - forkerenok 3y ago
    Ok, it seems you had a different angle in mind. > Swiss arms industry is having same problem, but there it is stemming from neutrality of Swiss government. This is interesting. Any good references to read up on the topic?
    - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
      basically whole Gepard ammunition to Ukraine banned by Swiss, eventually manufactured by Rheinmetall https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/re-export-ban-beginning-of-end-for-swiss-defence-firms/48294436 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/re-export-ban-beginnin...

hef19898 3y ago

You forgot one thing: Boeing is not only under FAA and US scrutiny, all their processes and planes are certified by EASA, and others, as well. The B737 Max crashes alread harmed the trust between EASA and FAA, if nothing happens now, EASA might very well take seperate action. I have a hunch Boeing doesn't want that. Edit: There is also a couple of high ranking people that are "holders" of those certifications, Design Organisation Approval and Production Organisation Approval in EASA parlance. Forgot the exactvtitle of those people, but usually they aee at least VP level, sometimes even C-level and always a seperate one from Quality. They are vetted by the national authorities and sign to confirm their obligation, incl. legal, to adhere to the stabdards and do everything to meet those. In Europe, negligence of this can lead to criminal prosecution and jail time. No idea how this is done under FAA regulations. Boeing peopably doesn't fall under EASA jurisdiction in that regard so, having not operations in Europe.

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