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I guess I tend to lean towards the growth mindset here. In my personal view and it may just be my own naivety. I do feel general intelligence or in this specifi

I guess I tend to lean towards the growth mindset here. In my personal view and it may just be my own naivety. I do feel general intelligence or in this specific case programming capability can be developed to any level through sheer work and dedication. Not to fall into the first group of people you describe though I feel more of the world's John Carmacks are created through an almost unnatural obsession with failure and the confidence to push forward, rather than being naturally gifted or accustomed to success coming easily to them.

riehwvfbk 3y ago
That's what self-help books would like you to believe, yes. But (assuming you are average size) you can always go down to a local bar and pick a fight with a guy twice your size for a reality check. The same principle also applies to brains.
- Jaedon_Proctor 3y ago
  My reply comment to "confidantlake" is meant to address this statement as well.
confidantlake 3y ago
I don't think there is any evidence for this belief.
- Jaedon_Proctor 3y ago
  Well there are general studies and cases to support this -- example: Blackwell, L. S., Trzesniewski, K. H., & Dweck, C. S. (2007). Implicit theories of intelligence predict achievement across an adolescent transition: A longitudinal study and an intervention. Though I anticipate this is not really what you are drawing at here. While I can definitely agree that inherent talents or traits may put an individual ahead of others. I just dont see the scenario where talent beats hard work. Now dont get me wrong Im not trying to imply that a turtle can train to outrun a cheetah, but rather that in the realm of intellectual pursuit, I believe the landscape is significantly more malleable. To me, asserting that talent or intelligence is fixed would imply that knowledge and understanding are also static. Yet our capacity to think, interpret, understand and extrapolate is ever evolving. So I still feel the growth mindset is more closer to the "truth" in the sense that novel thinking and innovation can expand intelligence. Im not looking to deny the existence of innate capabilities but rather draw some emphasis to the potential of persistence and effort in learning.

riehwvfbk 3y ago

That's what self-help books would like you to believe, yes. But (assuming you are average size) you can always go down to a local bar and pick a fight with a guy twice your size for a reality check. The same principle also applies to brains.

Jaedon_Proctor 3y ago
My reply comment to "confidantlake" is meant to address this statement as well.

confidantlake 3y ago

I don't think there is any evidence for this belief.

Jaedon_Proctor 3y ago
Well there are general studies and cases to support this -- example: Blackwell, L. S., Trzesniewski, K. H., & Dweck, C. S. (2007). Implicit theories of intelligence predict achievement across an adolescent transition: A longitudinal study and an intervention. Though I anticipate this is not really what you are drawing at here. While I can definitely agree that inherent talents or traits may put an individual ahead of others. I just dont see the scenario where talent beats hard work. Now dont get me wrong Im not trying to imply that a turtle can train to outrun a cheetah, but rather that in the realm of intellectual pursuit, I believe the landscape is significantly more malleable. To me, asserting that talent or intelligence is fixed would imply that knowledge and understanding are also static. Yet our capacity to think, interpret, understand and extrapolate is ever evolving. So I still feel the growth mindset is more closer to the "truth" in the sense that novel thinking and innovation can expand intelligence. Im not looking to deny the existence of innate capabilities but rather draw some emphasis to the potential of persistence and effort in learning.