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No. Get rid of 'Standard' time instead.

by torstenvl 3y ago

former-aws 3y ago
DST is an abomination and must go. It doesn't align with natural circadian rhythms.
- seattle_spring 3y ago
  Hmm I would think the problem is changing the time twice a year? Even if permanent DST was a mismatch to our circadian rhythm, wouldn't that completely depend on how close you are to a date line?
- torstenvl 3y ago
  That's the opposite of true. Getting light before the start of the waking hours but getting dark before you're even home—i.e., standard time—is unhealthy. Daylight time aligns to natural circadian rhythms better. Objectively, more people are awake past 5pm than are awake before 7am.
  - former-aws 3y ago
    Humans are the exception. Most animals return home as it gets dark. That is the natural pattern, something we are all primed via evolution. Your personal preference to get more light in the evening because you want to spend more time outdoors runs against evolutionary instincts.
  - rags2riches 3y ago
    People are ruled by the numbers on the clock, so we should shift the daylight hours during those hours people are awake to match the natural needs of the people. But from where did the habits tied to the numbers come? Were they formed without reference to daylight? Will most people always sleep before 7am and be awake after 5pm, no matter when there is daylight?
    - Izkata 3y ago
      > and be awake after 5pm, no matter when there is daylight? For this one at least absolutely yes because of work and after-school activities.
opello 3y ago
And this exemplifies the political problem that would be better off tossing a coin and being done with it. Because what would be better depends on your position in the time zone and with where in the day one values daylight hours. There's a set of maps (e.g. [1]) that shows sunrise/sunset times by county and explains the variations quite nicely. [1] https://conormclaughlin.net/2022/04/visualizing-the-impact-of-permanent-daylight-savings-time-on-winter-sunrise-and-sunset-times/ https://conormclaughlin.net/2022/04/visualizing-the-impact-o...
ssl-3 3y ago
We mustn't let perfection get in the way of progress, comrade. Any method is superior to screwing up the clocks twice every year.
et-al 3y ago
America tried this in the 1973: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_States#1973%E2%80%931975:_Year-round_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_Un... > Over three months from December to March, public support dropped from 79% to 42%. Some schools moved their start times later.
- tshaddox 3y ago
  > Some schools moved their start times later. Thus demonstrating clearly that adjusting everyone’s clocks is unnecessary?

No. Get rid of 'Standard' time instead.

former-aws 3y ago

DST is an abomination and must go. It doesn't align with natural circadian rhythms.

seattle_spring 3y ago
Hmm I would think the problem is changing the time twice a year? Even if permanent DST was a mismatch to our circadian rhythm, wouldn't that completely depend on how close you are to a date line?
torstenvl 3y ago
That's the opposite of true. Getting light before the start of the waking hours but getting dark before you're even home—i.e., standard time—is unhealthy. Daylight time aligns to natural circadian rhythms better. Objectively, more people are awake past 5pm than are awake before 7am.
- former-aws 3y ago
  Humans are the exception. Most animals return home as it gets dark. That is the natural pattern, something we are all primed via evolution. Your personal preference to get more light in the evening because you want to spend more time outdoors runs against evolutionary instincts.
- rags2riches 3y ago
  People are ruled by the numbers on the clock, so we should shift the daylight hours during those hours people are awake to match the natural needs of the people. But from where did the habits tied to the numbers come? Were they formed without reference to daylight? Will most people always sleep before 7am and be awake after 5pm, no matter when there is daylight?
  - Izkata 3y ago
    > and be awake after 5pm, no matter when there is daylight? For this one at least absolutely yes because of work and after-school activities.

opello 3y ago

And this exemplifies the political problem that would be better off tossing a coin and being done with it. Because what would be better depends on your position in the time zone and with where in the day one values daylight hours. There's a set of maps (e.g. [1]) that shows sunrise/sunset times by county and explains the variations quite nicely. [1] https://conormclaughlin.net/2022/04/visualizing-the-impact-of-permanent-daylight-savings-time-on-winter-sunrise-and-sunset-times/ https://conormclaughlin.net/2022/04/visualizing-the-impact-o...

ssl-3 3y ago

We mustn't let perfection get in the way of progress, comrade. Any method is superior to screwing up the clocks twice every year.

et-al 3y ago

America tried this in the 1973: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_States#1973%E2%80%931975:_Year-round_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_Un... > Over three months from December to March, public support dropped from 79% to 42%. Some schools moved their start times later.

tshaddox 3y ago
> Some schools moved their start times later. Thus demonstrating clearly that adjusting everyone’s clocks is unnecessary?