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While I do hate Postman because its overcomplicated in everything. But attitude like yours has shifted people and money away from developer tools. Instead of a

While I do hate Postman because its overcomplicated in everything. But attitude like yours has shifted people and money away from developer tools. Instead of all the possible tools we could have from many developers, we are now totally dependent on big tech to sponsor it, like VSCode etc. And over time it would move in direction that will promote another service from the same company like copilot and vscode.

ryandrake 3y ago
Developer Tool Developers are hurting themselves. I think it is reasonable to not want to have to log in to every darn thing you use on the internet. Especially developer tools. Someone needs to invent a hat that developers have to wear: when the developer starts to write signup, login or authentication code, a hand pokes out of the hat and slaps him.
- nyanpasu64 3y ago
  Default-on telemetry as well. I'm reminded of Balena Etcher phoning home with the names of ISO files you flash, which leaks the IPs etc. of which users are creating Tor/Tails bootable USBs: https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/16381#note_223134 https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/16381#not...
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    Yes, telemetry too! And automatic updates. They are all symptoms of companies’ obsession with having some kind of ongoing post-purchase “relationship” with their users. As a user, I don’t want this relationship! I just want to buy the tool and use it, without ever interacting with the manufacturer ever again. If I buy a circular saw, I don’t want a relationship with Makita. I don’t want to have to log in to use it. I don’t want it telling Makita how many boards I cut and how well the saw is working. No offense, but I’m just not that into you, Manufacturer.
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  Judging by vscode's or copilot's or postman's popularity, login is not the issue. The issue is the quality of the tool and number of developers they can hire.
ben_w 3y ago
"A GUI for a command line tool" is, these days, at the level where you can get the first 80% of the value by asking ChatGPT to write it for you by copy-pasting in the bits of the man page for the options you want. (The second and third 80%'s still need human intervention).

ryandrake 3y ago

Developer Tool Developers are hurting themselves. I think it is reasonable to not want to have to log in to every darn thing you use on the internet. Especially developer tools. Someone needs to invent a hat that developers have to wear: when the developer starts to write signup, login or authentication code, a hand pokes out of the hat and slaps him.

nyanpasu64 3y ago
Default-on telemetry as well. I'm reminded of Balena Etcher phoning home with the names of ISO files you flash, which leaks the IPs etc. of which users are creating Tor/Tails bootable USBs: https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/16381#note_223134 https://gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/16381#not...
- ryandrake 3y ago
  Yes, telemetry too! And automatic updates. They are all symptoms of companies’ obsession with having some kind of ongoing post-purchase “relationship” with their users. As a user, I don’t want this relationship! I just want to buy the tool and use it, without ever interacting with the manufacturer ever again. If I buy a circular saw, I don’t want a relationship with Makita. I don’t want to have to log in to use it. I don’t want it telling Makita how many boards I cut and how well the saw is working. No offense, but I’m just not that into you, Manufacturer.
YetAnotherNick 3y ago
Judging by vscode's or copilot's or postman's popularity, login is not the issue. The issue is the quality of the tool and number of developers they can hire.

ben_w 3y ago

"A GUI for a command line tool" is, these days, at the level where you can get the first 80% of the value by asking ChatGPT to write it for you by copy-pasting in the bits of the man page for the options you want. (The second and third 80%'s still need human intervention).