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I had a coworker with CF that started this treatment. Over the course of their first year of treatment, as it became plain to them just how effective it was and

I had a coworker with CF that started this treatment. Over the course of their first year of treatment, as it became plain to them just how effective it was and what the implications for their long-term survival might be, their behavior changed drastically. Within 18 months of starting treatment they were showing worrying indications of both budding mental health issues and heavy substance abuse. Their marriage, which had been stable for years, was in shambles as well. I can only speculate that their exuberance at being given a stay of execution lead them to "oversteer" into some questionable lifestyle choices.

bane 3y ago
This section seems to speak to your observation (edited for brevity): Doctors told me they could think of only one other comparable breakthrough in recent memory: the arrival of powerful HIV drugs in the 1990s. Like Trikafta, those drugs were not a cure, but they transformed AIDS from a terminal illness into a manageable chronic one. Young men got up from their deathbed, newly strong and hale. ... This was a remarkable turn of events. But it elicited a complicated mix of emotions, not all of them joyful. Some patients who were no longer dying grew depressed, anxious, and even suicidal at the thought of living. This phenomenon became known as “Lazarus syndrome.” Death is an end, after all. Life comes with problems...the writer Andrew Sullivan, who is HIV-positive, described life after the advent of the HIV drugs in his essay “When Plagues End”: When you have spent several years girding yourself for the possibility of death, it is not so easy to gird yourself instead for the possibility of life. What you expect to greet with the euphoria of victory comes instead like the slow withdrawal of an excuse. And you resist it. The intensity with which you had learned to approach each day turns into a banality, a banality that refuses to understand or even appreciate the experience you have just gone through. For some HIV patients, their reversal of fortune seemed unreal. “He doesn’t trust what’s happening to him,” one doctor said about a patient who had made a dramatic recovery, yet found himself in psychological distress."
gfodor 3y ago
I have CF, and my whole life I avoided things like CF communities explicitly because I felt these ties to the disease would lead to a crisis in my life if it was ever something I could stop centering my life around.
- Aurornis 3y ago
  Chronic illness forums are almost universally terrible. I try to navigate the online communities for a family member’s disease to keep up with new developments. A decade ago I found some value in the way they presented news and research and anecdotes. Now, the forums are overrun by small numbers of constantly online members who feel the need to dominate every conversation. The content has become almost entirely venting and memes, with an unreasonable amount of alternative medicine being pushed as fact. It’s understandable that they’re frustrated, to say the least, but the way their frustration gives way to a communal rage against doctors has weirdly opened doors to alternative medicine peddlers. It’s disgusting to me to see how the alternative medicine pushers have arrived with open arms and comforting smiles for vulnerable communities, which slowly becomes a sales pitch for their products. I’ve seen everting from people peddling custom diet consulting based on your 23andMe results to invitations to private, paid Telegram channels where they supposedly share their secret cures, to doctors from Eastern Europe who claim to have cured the condition (which has eluded many researchers and pharmaceutical companies) with a custom treatment made from the patients’ own urine. The way these communities set themselves up to rage together at modern medicine opens the door for friendly alternative medicine scams. It’s depressing.
  - spondylosaurus 3y ago
    IME one reason (out of many) why chronic illness forums tend to be terrible is that people who are managing their conditions reasonably well don't participate much. Which makes sense—the better you're doing, the less time you spend thinking about it and the less time you're inclined to spend discussing it—but that creates an environment where the most miserable voices become the loudest. And so (1) there's often a disproportionate focus on doom and gloom rather than success stories, which paints a pessimistic picture for anyone joining after a recent diagnosis, and (2) the most prominent voices have a wounded-cornered-animal mentality that makes them defensive and/or prone to lashing out. And I can't totally blame them, given how hard it is to live with a treatment-resistant chronic condition, but it's not the most constructive environment for everyone else.
  - krooj 3y ago
    I'll echo this - I have had two left leg DVTs, spaced about 7 years apart, and after the second event, really started diving into medical publications - surgical journals, medical textbooks, clinical trials - as a means to better understand the condition, it's pathology, etc. I ultimately submitted to testing and discovered a congenital stenosis of the left iliac vein with heavy retroperitoneal collateralization that necessitated a stent to keep that iliac vein open. I also had a quick look into the social media (primarily reddit) aspect of these vascular conditions, and it's a pile of dogshit. Most of these patient communities bill themselves as "support groups", but there's never any real discussion on meaningful research, drug, or device advancements. They places serve primarily as "pity pits" for chronic moaners and scammers selling alternative medicine.
bdcravens 3y ago
Many have reported severe anxiety due to Trikafta. As I mentioned in another comment, I believe I experienced the same, but I also started Lexapro around the same time for other non-CF reasons, so independent test variables and all that.
qgin 3y ago
Imagine if tomorrow, it was announced there had been a discovery that doubled average human life expectancy to 150. There would be happiness, but there would also be chaos. How many people would quit all the things they'd told themselves they were too old to change? The job they were grinding out until retirement. The marriage they'd resigned themselves to? Imagine billions of people getting pulled backwards back across the midlife crisis line, realizing that yes, maybe there IS more to life than "this". The days and weeks after that announcement would be some of the most chaotic the world has ever seen.
- dennis_jeeves2 3y ago
  >There would be happiness, but there would also be chaos Which is good in the short term, correct? Long term people hopefully would be wise to settle for stable relationships, jobs etc...

bane 3y ago

This section seems to speak to your observation (edited for brevity): Doctors told me they could think of only one other comparable breakthrough in recent memory: the arrival of powerful HIV drugs in the 1990s. Like Trikafta, those drugs were not a cure, but they transformed AIDS from a terminal illness into a manageable chronic one. Young men got up from their deathbed, newly strong and hale. ... This was a remarkable turn of events. But it elicited a complicated mix of emotions, not all of them joyful. Some patients who were no longer dying grew depressed, anxious, and even suicidal at the thought of living. This phenomenon became known as “Lazarus syndrome.” Death is an end, after all. Life comes with problems...the writer Andrew Sullivan, who is HIV-positive, described life after the advent of the HIV drugs in his essay “When Plagues End”: When you have spent several years girding yourself for the possibility of death, it is not so easy to gird yourself instead for the possibility of life. What you expect to greet with the euphoria of victory comes instead like the slow withdrawal of an excuse. And you resist it. The intensity with which you had learned to approach each day turns into a banality, a banality that refuses to understand or even appreciate the experience you have just gone through. For some HIV patients, their reversal of fortune seemed unreal. “He doesn’t trust what’s happening to him,” one doctor said about a patient who had made a dramatic recovery, yet found himself in psychological distress."

gfodor 3y ago

I have CF, and my whole life I avoided things like CF communities explicitly because I felt these ties to the disease would lead to a crisis in my life if it was ever something I could stop centering my life around.

Aurornis 3y ago
Chronic illness forums are almost universally terrible. I try to navigate the online communities for a family member’s disease to keep up with new developments. A decade ago I found some value in the way they presented news and research and anecdotes. Now, the forums are overrun by small numbers of constantly online members who feel the need to dominate every conversation. The content has become almost entirely venting and memes, with an unreasonable amount of alternative medicine being pushed as fact. It’s understandable that they’re frustrated, to say the least, but the way their frustration gives way to a communal rage against doctors has weirdly opened doors to alternative medicine peddlers. It’s disgusting to me to see how the alternative medicine pushers have arrived with open arms and comforting smiles for vulnerable communities, which slowly becomes a sales pitch for their products. I’ve seen everting from people peddling custom diet consulting based on your 23andMe results to invitations to private, paid Telegram channels where they supposedly share their secret cures, to doctors from Eastern Europe who claim to have cured the condition (which has eluded many researchers and pharmaceutical companies) with a custom treatment made from the patients’ own urine. The way these communities set themselves up to rage together at modern medicine opens the door for friendly alternative medicine scams. It’s depressing.
- spondylosaurus 3y ago
  IME one reason (out of many) why chronic illness forums tend to be terrible is that people who are managing their conditions reasonably well don't participate much. Which makes sense—the better you're doing, the less time you spend thinking about it and the less time you're inclined to spend discussing it—but that creates an environment where the most miserable voices become the loudest. And so (1) there's often a disproportionate focus on doom and gloom rather than success stories, which paints a pessimistic picture for anyone joining after a recent diagnosis, and (2) the most prominent voices have a wounded-cornered-animal mentality that makes them defensive and/or prone to lashing out. And I can't totally blame them, given how hard it is to live with a treatment-resistant chronic condition, but it's not the most constructive environment for everyone else.
- krooj 3y ago
  I'll echo this - I have had two left leg DVTs, spaced about 7 years apart, and after the second event, really started diving into medical publications - surgical journals, medical textbooks, clinical trials - as a means to better understand the condition, it's pathology, etc. I ultimately submitted to testing and discovered a congenital stenosis of the left iliac vein with heavy retroperitoneal collateralization that necessitated a stent to keep that iliac vein open. I also had a quick look into the social media (primarily reddit) aspect of these vascular conditions, and it's a pile of dogshit. Most of these patient communities bill themselves as "support groups", but there's never any real discussion on meaningful research, drug, or device advancements. They places serve primarily as "pity pits" for chronic moaners and scammers selling alternative medicine.

bdcravens 3y ago

Many have reported severe anxiety due to Trikafta. As I mentioned in another comment, I believe I experienced the same, but I also started Lexapro around the same time for other non-CF reasons, so independent test variables and all that.

qgin 3y ago

Imagine if tomorrow, it was announced there had been a discovery that doubled average human life expectancy to 150. There would be happiness, but there would also be chaos. How many people would quit all the things they'd told themselves they were too old to change? The job they were grinding out until retirement. The marriage they'd resigned themselves to? Imagine billions of people getting pulled backwards back across the midlife crisis line, realizing that yes, maybe there IS more to life than "this". The days and weeks after that announcement would be some of the most chaotic the world has ever seen.

dennis_jeeves2 3y ago
>There would be happiness, but there would also be chaos Which is good in the short term, correct? Long term people hopefully would be wise to settle for stable relationships, jobs etc...