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America doesn't really agree with you; The Tesla model Y was the second-best selling car in the US in 2023, after the RAV4 and well ahead of the Camry. I own a

America doesn't really agree with you; The Tesla model Y was the second-best selling car in the US in 2023, after the RAV4 and well ahead of the Camry. I own a variety of cars, and do still have some ICE cars, but for almost every use case, I prefer my model Y. As to reliability, n=4 narrative, I've owned a Tesla of one sort or the other since 2018 or so, and two Nissan Leafs since 2015 and here's the full list of repairs and dealer visits I've needed: Tesla Model 3 Dual motor charge port won't auto close after open. Nissan Leaf Gen 1 window button needed replacing. That's it. By comparison my Toyota vans have had roughly ten service calls / dealer visits in the same period. If you read through most reports on Tesla reliability, generally initial build quality is the main complaint. Electric cars are mechanically super simple, and this is a daily benefit for any driver of an EV. To my mind the 'strict improvement' rule at this point needs to be doing a lot of work when you compare to a 1998 civic. Do you include smell, window seals, oil consumption, power, lane departure warnings, pre-braking in case of emergency, highway passing acceleration, ...?

lotsofpulp 3y ago
> As to reliability, n=4 narrative, I've owned a Tesla of one sort or the other since 2018 or so, and two Nissan Leafs since 2015 and here's the full list of repairs and dealer visits I've needed: Tesla Model 3 Dual motor charge port won't auto close after open. Nissan Leaf Gen 1 window button needed replacing. That's it. By comparison my Toyota vans have had roughly ten service calls / dealer visits in the same period. The relevant data here would be how valuable are Teslas after 20 years and 250k miles? Because when I buy a Toyota, I am pretty confident I will still be able to use it, or sell it for a decent amount.
- nixass 3y ago
  Here's an example of that. https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1b0ae5a/tesla_tragedy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1b0ae5a/tesla_tr... How many oil changes is that? lol
throwaway22032 3y ago
I think you've done well. Personally my Model S had all sorts of issues, I sold it before the warranty period ended as I knew that I didn't want to pay dealer prices for everything and deal with the bottlenecks. I just can't see a Model S actually being on the road when it's 15-20 years old because no-one is going to want to pay Tesla prices to maintain it. The relevant comparison is with a ~2020 Civic i.e. when both cars are 20 years old, which one will still be going.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

> As to reliability, n=4 narrative, I've owned a Tesla of one sort or the other since 2018 or so, and two Nissan Leafs since 2015 and here's the full list of repairs and dealer visits I've needed: Tesla Model 3 Dual motor charge port won't auto close after open. Nissan Leaf Gen 1 window button needed replacing. That's it. By comparison my Toyota vans have had roughly ten service calls / dealer visits in the same period. The relevant data here would be how valuable are Teslas after 20 years and 250k miles? Because when I buy a Toyota, I am pretty confident I will still be able to use it, or sell it for a decent amount.

nixass 3y ago
Here's an example of that. https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1b0ae5a/tesla_tragedy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1b0ae5a/tesla_tr... How many oil changes is that? lol

throwaway22032 3y ago

I think you've done well. Personally my Model S had all sorts of issues, I sold it before the warranty period ended as I knew that I didn't want to pay dealer prices for everything and deal with the bottlenecks. I just can't see a Model S actually being on the road when it's 15-20 years old because no-one is going to want to pay Tesla prices to maintain it. The relevant comparison is with a ~2020 Civic i.e. when both cars are 20 years old, which one will still be going.