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I've seen plenty of badly argued Chinese room debates- there is certainly a lot of bad arguments in those styles. You seem to interpret them as saying all of th
by OrderlyTiamat 3y ago
I've seen plenty of badly argued Chinese room debates- there is certainly a lot of bad arguments in those styles. You seem to interpret them as saying all of those arguments are bad, which is a fair interpretation, but I think their point stands if it refers to the nonsense versions of those arguments, which are everywhere on social media (hn, reddit, X, etc).
By the way, I think referring to the burden of proof in discussions like this is likely never to improve the debate. All sides will simply claim the burden is on others for one reason or another, most of those reasons will be flawed- requiring discussions on those flaws and now we're even further from the actual points we want to discuss. I've just never seen it produce a fruitful discussion.
- emptysongglass 3y agoIf I say the sky is falling, the burden of proof is surely on me to provide evidence. I don't have time or the energy to make counter-claims to flat-earthers with no evidence. This is why we say the burden of proof is on those making extraordinary claims. I'm happy to debate with those who provide sufficient evidence but it's not fair to expect I put effort into rebuttals of claims of "nonsense" with no evidence.
- ben_w 3y agoI have seen only one falsifiable test for if a mind actually has subjective conscious experience rather than just saying it does, and even that wasn't one which we can apply to humans or other animals, only AI, which means it will still be an open question if that test ever passes. Saying "it is" or "it isn't" at this point is like early sci-fi speculations about the inhabitants of the Moon, Mars, and Venus — we know our own experience of qualia, but we don't understand how and why we got it, so we don't know what to look for in animals, let alone AI.