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Unfortunately, this kind of behavior, where the Apple policies always override whatever the "owner" of an Apple device wants to accomplish, is not surprising bu

Unfortunately, this kind of behavior, where the Apple policies always override whatever the "owner" of an Apple device wants to accomplish, is not surprising but it is what should always be expected from Apple.

Aachen 3y ago
This is also what keeps me from them. The devices seem really well-built and the OS polished, but with their lock-in to their own ways and own ecosystem (can't get access to your own hardware), it's just not compatible with being a hacker in the HN sense of the word, or at least not for that part of your digital life, and it's not like you'd want to buy it as a device on the side given those prices. I keep doubting about trying out Apple products, the latest one being their AR headset, but so far they've always seemed too hostile towards developers/tinkerers
steve1977 3y ago
Apple is the owner, you are the user ;)
cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
Unfortunately, there’s always someone who is more than willing to read far too much into a low-level technical decision if it serves to, in their eyes, ‘prove’ their preconceived worldview. A company as large as Apple making this particular decision in service of a wider vision to “own user devices, is attributing to Apple a degree of organisational and coordination prowess that is well beyond unheard of in any organisation even one tenth of Apple’s size. But it’s Apple, right!?
- smoldesu 3y ago
  It would be a lot easier to agree with you if Apple didn't go out of their way in software, hardware and firmware to block third-parties from getting a fair shake. This is the company that stops you from repairing your own device using software that you cannot control - it's not a lack of organizational and coordination prowess that makes these things happen. Nobody cakewalks their way into manufacturing things on the Chinese mainland. Similarly, some intern at Apple did not authorize this change, write the patch, and then defend the decision when upstream questioned them about it. That requires coordination, which is frankly why this whole brouhaha is offensive. Apple could be working with upstream to close a critical vulnerability, but instead they're defending the merits of a faulty and dangerous fork. That is brazen and irresponsible behavior that requires just as much effort as working together with the community to solve the issue. Even companies a tenth Apple's size can get this right.
op00to 3y ago
Run open source curl. You now have the desired behavior.

Aachen 3y ago

This is also what keeps me from them. The devices seem really well-built and the OS polished, but with their lock-in to their own ways and own ecosystem (can't get access to your own hardware), it's just not compatible with being a hacker in the HN sense of the word, or at least not for that part of your digital life, and it's not like you'd want to buy it as a device on the side given those prices. I keep doubting about trying out Apple products, the latest one being their AR headset, but so far they've always seemed too hostile towards developers/tinkerers

steve1977 3y ago

Apple is the owner, you are the user ;)

cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago

Unfortunately, there’s always someone who is more than willing to read far too much into a low-level technical decision if it serves to, in their eyes, ‘prove’ their preconceived worldview. A company as large as Apple making this particular decision in service of a wider vision to “own user devices, is attributing to Apple a degree of organisational and coordination prowess that is well beyond unheard of in any organisation even one tenth of Apple’s size. But it’s Apple, right!?

smoldesu 3y ago
It would be a lot easier to agree with you if Apple didn't go out of their way in software, hardware and firmware to block third-parties from getting a fair shake. This is the company that stops you from repairing your own device using software that you cannot control - it's not a lack of organizational and coordination prowess that makes these things happen. Nobody cakewalks their way into manufacturing things on the Chinese mainland. Similarly, some intern at Apple did not authorize this change, write the patch, and then defend the decision when upstream questioned them about it. That requires coordination, which is frankly why this whole brouhaha is offensive. Apple could be working with upstream to close a critical vulnerability, but instead they're defending the merits of a faulty and dangerous fork. That is brazen and irresponsible behavior that requires just as much effort as working together with the community to solve the issue. Even companies a tenth Apple's size can get this right.

op00to 3y ago

Run open source curl. You now have the desired behavior.