> Science can be trusted. Measurements and the testing and retesting can be trusted. It's people that can't be trusted. This is an important point and I think

> Science can be trusted. Measurements and the testing and retesting can be trusted. It's people that can't be trusted. This is an important point and I think people should make it more often. A human scientist who is committing fraud is misrepresenting facts about the world. And the way you would accurately describe those facts is with science. It's not that science is in the wrong here, it's that the human is lying about what the science says. You want to be able to say "objectively, this guy lied about his research." But if you want to say that, then you need to be able to accurately describe both the world and the research so you can compute the diff between them. So if you throw out the science with the human scientist, then you've thrown out any objective means by which you were going to say the human scientist did anything wrong in the first place.